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Old 09-22-2019, 02:43 PM
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I was handed a box of old production Eley Tenex.
Produced about 1975 from what I could find on the web.

It's 40 grain 22lr with a silvery lubricant on the bullets.
Packed loose in the cardboard tray, but still in decent shape.

455 Varmint, Lilja, Sinclair bipod



12 dot box helps to identify about when it was made.



Imperial Metal Industries (Kynoch) tightens up the time frame



Even packed loose the cartridges don't show many visible defects.
Quite uniform in appearance.



And even after over 40 years in storage, still only 33 fps ES.



Not bad for antique 22lr with gusting headwinds. Not bad at all.
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Old 09-23-2019, 09:13 AM
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I was handed a box of old production Eley Tenex.
Produced about 1975 from what I could find on the web.
And even after over 40 years in storage, still only 33 fps ES.
Not bad for antique 22lr with gusting headwinds. Not bad at all.
That Tenex shows what Eley was capable of even 40 years ago. Imagine what that stuff would have shot like when "fresh". 33 fps ES from 40 yr old ammo? I'm very impressed, it must have been stored in a stable temperature environment for sure. Jaia (and others), thanks for the continuing info and effort you put forth into this thread. I thought at some point I could contribute as well, but it seems I'm lucky just to find enough time to shoot the competitive MATCHES, let alone do any practice/testing (what's THAT?)
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Old 09-28-2019, 06:26 PM
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All ya' need is one good morning TS.
Grab a box of y'er best, or worst, or both, and send it at 200 yards.
Don't forget the pics of rifle, setup, range and results.
We need the rifle pron.

Crankster, you were a bit impatient to see the Buckmark Silhouette on a bipod.
Due to the softness of the wood used for the forestock, it required epoxy reinforcement of the sling stud.
After drilling, coated the interior of the hole with jbweld and threaded the stud in place.
Cured overnight, then checked the fit and stability of the connection to a Harris S-BR.
Solid attachment and much better control of the pistol when dry firing on #6 plastic drywall anchors.
Supposed to be decent weather in the morning, find out how it does at 200 yards.

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Old 09-29-2019, 01:37 PM
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Nice morning, still warm with an ESE wind at 6-12 mph, my 2 o'clock.
Buckmark Silhouette on a bipod to see what happens.



Remainder of a box of Remington Range hi-v 22lr at 200 yards.
No chronograph, just trying to find out how to use a pistol on a bipod.



Sent 5, checked the group, adjusted the scope right, sent another 5, adjusted a bit up.
Then sent the rest, 5 at a time, trying different hand positions to determine the most consistent.
Definitely not like using a rifle on a bipod. Interesting how hand location changes stability.
Vertical spread changed depending on grip and recoil bounce.



Once the scope was adjusted sent the remnants of a few other boxes at the steel plates.
Easier hitting the 14 inch plate using the bipod than off the heavy bag.

Then this voice said....Hey, the Sinclair is in the range box!

F-Class Buckmark Silhouette



Had to stop due to laughter. Not mine.
Another shooter had wandered over to see what I was up to.
He had to sit down and check the view through the EER scope to see what it was like.
He had to take a couple pics also, as proof 200 yards with a pistol was feasible.

The Sinclair bipod produces more control and better stability.
I'm going to have to send some decent ammo at 200 with the Buckmark
now that I have an idea of what I'm doing.
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Old 09-29-2019, 02:31 PM
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I WANT ONE!
I wouldnt have to make up any more excuses for my overly-large groups
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:13 AM
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No excuses necessary Crank.
Own up to y'er results and watch for improvement over time.

In my case, there's plenty of room for improvement.


Asymmetric bullets caught my interest due to the odd fliers showing up at 200 yards.
Some interesting videos out there with the 22lr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Dylxy3zJc
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:59 PM
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Wind from the East at 12 to 18 mph.
Gusting headwinds, not really conducive to consistent results.
Good excuse to play with the F-Class Buckmark Silhouette.

That way when I mess up I can blame it on the wind.

Grabbed the bulk box of Winchester 36 grain cphp left from earlier this year
and set 3 big targets on 3 backers at 200 yards to work with.
Chewed up the first target adjusting the scope and trying different body positions
looking for the most comfortable and stable which allowed the best control.
Then sent 50 at one target, adjusted the scope a little more, then 50 at the last target.

Old Remington tray holding 50 cartridges of the Winchester to keep track.



The first 50 trying to hit the black dot



The next 50 after another scope adjustment



Kept all the shots on the backer this time.
Even with the gusting headwind.
Not quite so much lateral spread.
about 14 inches of vertical, apply the half-third rule

100 yards expect 4.7 inches of vertical
50 yards would be 1.6 inches of vertical
25 yards and 0.5 inches of vertical with a pistol, for 50 consecutive shots.

Bulk 22lr under lousy conditions from a pistol.
I could do that again. Quite enjoyable.
Still causing laughter from the benchrest guys.

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Old 10-11-2019, 04:09 PM
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50 at 200

It was a really nice day today and I was finally able to get out to the range. Only 100 yards though, so not in line with the parameters of this thread, but I thought it may still provide a somewhat useful data point.

My primary objective was to test out my new Labradar and get chrono data for the Eley Force ammo, but unfortunately I could not get the LR to register any of the shots... out of the 100 shots, it only registered two and the velocities were way off (as in higher than 2000fps), so that may also be an indicator that I need to look into. I will have to play around with it a little more to figure out what settings need to be adjusted.

Anyhow, back to the shooting. I got a little frustrated with the LR and in the end just shot out all the mags in quick succession without trying to break any records, which may explain some of the flyers, but then maybe it could have been a little bit of inconsistency in the ammo as well... in the end I have 42 out of 50 shots in an inch at 100 yards and applying 1/3 rule it brings it to approximately 3 inches for more than 80% of the shots...

Setup:
KIDD supermatch with 20 barrel
Bushnell HDMR
Harris bipod and I just used my sweater as a rear bag since I forgot mine at home.







I also shot a second target with my other 10/22. It is a stock 10/22 receiver and trigger with a green mountain barrel and PA scope. I did not take a picture of the rifle unfortunately. The overall results were very similar than for the KIDD; just a little wider:

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Old 10-12-2019, 02:09 PM
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You need an audio sensor to pick up the 22lr muzzle report?
That could get kinda hinky at a busy range, wouldn't it?
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Old 10-12-2019, 05:27 PM
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Yup agree. I researched a little and have a few pointers to try next time I am out again. Unfortunately I will not be able to get to the range again for at least 4 weeks due to business travel.
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Old 11-01-2019, 12:48 PM
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Delivery arrived...Eley Practice 100, Eley Action and Eley Team.
Multiple boxes of each, enough to see how they do at 200 yards.
It was a bit of a job to find all three at the same retailer at a decent price/shipping.
Some of the sites had some rather extravagant pricing and shipping costs.

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Old 11-01-2019, 01:14 PM
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jaia is back in business! Look forward to your report on the new ammo. Thanks for testing these.
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Old 11-01-2019, 01:55 PM
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Delivery arrived...Eley Practice 100, Eley Action and Eley Team.
Multiple boxes of each, enough to see how they do at 200 yards.
It was a bit of a job to find all three at the same retailer at a decent price/shipping.
Some of the sites had some rather extravagant pricing and shipping costs.
Is this for rifle or pistol ? Or both ?
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Old 11-01-2019, 02:05 PM
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Kirby, you know I'm easily entertained.....both.
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Old 11-01-2019, 02:36 PM
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Kirby, you know I'm easily entertained.....both.
I understand
My range only goes to about 115 Yards to the berm . Im the guy with the open sighted Ruger Bisley 22lr SS shooting at empty 3/4 gallon almond milk jugs . a scope would make it too easy and Id get bored .
I look forward to your results .
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