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Old 03-21-2018, 04:34 PM
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"Come into my parlor said the spider to the fly"

I swore to never do another CZ stock but I couldnt help myself. I recently acquired a near new CZ trainer stock thats just been killing me. The mad mudder at CZ splashed muck all over an exceptional piece of beech, and with that I havent been able to bring myself to mount the action to it. Just looked terrible.
So with the discovery of a lacquer topcoat, I just had to take that off. Now I'm left with the hard black mud underneath.........to an extreme.
Best bait and switch I ever fallen for. Giving a hint of what the reward is, but not without paying a price.

Does anyone have a solution (yet) to the mystery of this hard muck undercoat removal short of sanding?
Also, I'm not sure what it is and would love a heads up that if I try and go after it, the depth of penetration.
ie: am I gonna end up with a toothpick?

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Old 03-21-2018, 08:16 PM
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With interest I follow owning a beautiful piece of blotched up beech.
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"Muck"

Knowing you I am going to assume you cleaned the finish first via

https://rimfirecentral.com/rfcftp/sto...0A%20STOCK.pdf

tested it second, confirmed it was lacquer and then used an ORIGINAL FORMULA Lacquer Thinner, not anything in a plastic container and then soaked etc. like your post here shows

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=494050

If so then you got me. I have never seen any gunstock or piece of furniture that was not contaminated with either Mineral Oil or liquid Silicone, with a lacquer finish that when it was removed that ended up with "gunk" looking like yours albeit seen some with a lot less "muck" on them when the stock was cleaned with like 409 or simple Green after the lacquer was stripped but before it had completely evaporated.

I could show pictures here of a couple of Beech trainers after the finish was removed but pretty useless since none of em every looked like yours so I won't. Ditto for furniture.

Almost looks like to me that for whatever reason they did not use lacquer. Happens some times especially if your supplier is screwing around with a possible poly replacement to save a few bucks.

Anschutz had some issues like that awhile back. Replaced the stocks.

That would account for the uneven coloring on the original stock. "Toner" polys are not easy to make and take much more expertise then toner lacquer. If it was a poly finish then using Lacquer Thinner is going to get all kinds of different results.

If'n it were mine I would put on some chemical paint stripper and see if that removes what is left on there.

Sanding would be the last result IMO.

Let us know how that works.

noremf(George)

PS: Really small chance but lacquer in it's liquid form does go bad if the formulation is not up to snuff.

Anywhere from 4 days to 12 months. I have seen that but never used it so I can't comment on what would the results would be like.

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Old 03-21-2018, 08:48 PM
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I used Citistrip left on for about 4 hours George. I had hopes that it would take the lacquer and everything off in one batch. Great on the lacquer, didnt touch the muck though. As far as the cleaning goes, this stuff is some sort of basecoat. Harder than the wood itself I found out after the OP which adds to the PITA factor.
I'm not really against just sanding it off, but areas along the receiver rear sides are a bit thin in wood available. Afraid that will just disappear. Other place is the trigger guard inletting. If I can find something to take it off in those areas, I can just sand the rest. Besides, I found the stock, true to mass production standards, has a lot of flattening that could be done anyway.

Al, I had planned on keeping this thread going to the finish, good, bad, or all bad.

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Old 03-21-2018, 09:36 PM
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Paint strippers

Are you saying you used a paint stripper, specifically CitriStrip® instead of original formula lacquer thinner to remove the finish that was on the rifle?

George

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Old 03-21-2018, 10:46 PM
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George, I was editing to keep up with your editing before, and I aint gonna edit again because you out edited me.

Yes sir, I just smeared the whole thing with citistrip (sp? I dunno) and let it sit for about 4 hours. Then scraped and scrubbed it down with LT.

Full scoop on this. I was putzing around with it and decided to see what finish it might be. I put some lacquer thinner (Sunnyside) on a cotton dobber and poked it into the bolt slot just to see if it discolored. Of course it was a little past damp and some LT got outside the bolt slot. The finish immediately hazed so I knew it was lacquer, Kinda surprised me.
I had done a early trainer (2001) that was straight lacquer and nothing else,

Thus my quandary when I found this crap underneath. Reminds me of the stuff under some 82G finishes. Lots more 'meat' on those stocks so one can just pour the coals to it,

I'm going to get into it on the buttstock tomorrow where I know I cant really run out of real estate if I'm careful.
Also thought about heat, but the long fibers scorch way to easy. Been there, done that and not worth the risk.

I have a couple more strippers to try, short of aircraft stripper, but dont want to get too carried away, Fading the lines in the wood would defeat the purpose of the project.
"when you're up to your arse in alligators, its hard to remember that the initial objective was to drain the swamp"

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