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Old 07-12-2021, 04:22 PM
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Bill Ruger created a market with several of his designs that people didnt even know they wanted. That is genius
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Winchester made some pretty lame decisions but sometimes the bean counters who get hired for business sense get tunnel vision on the numbers and don't have any common sense about marketing as a shooter.
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He recreated the single action revolver market after Colt forgot about it in the 50's.
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Old 07-12-2021, 07:09 PM
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I love the old Single shots..I actually like them much better than Bolt Action Repeaters..Those do nothing for me..

Always wanted a old Marlin Ballard..But I waited too long and they are crazy priced now..I have a single shot 1885 Winder Musket in .17 Mach II and really enjoy it..

Many of the old single shots are reproduced now..But have little interest in the new stuff..I did have a Ruger Number 1 years ago in .220 Swift I think it was.. I kinda wished I had kept now..
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Is my 40X considered a single shot ? I have H&R in 45/70 . Mister when I say you better prepare yourself , thatís what I mean . Itís as tough as the H&R 10 gauge I have also . They are not the most beautiful guns I own , but the are simple and work wonderfully . I hand loaded the 45/70 , 385 gr soft point . 3 in a row is all I ever want to try .
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My H&R 12ga. smoothbore slug-gun I call Ol' Ugly Overkill; calculated the recoil based on the slug loads and gun weight, it comes to low end 375 H&H. I Do Not shoot it off the bench leaning into it!
That is as close as I want to get to a 'Bore Rifle' though it, at 12, would have been considered puny in Old Africa.
Your single shot 40X is technically just such. But when many of us wax nostalgic about single shots it is the old traditional, non-bolt action, rifles. Some traditional matches require an exposed hammer even though the Martini's and Rem. Hepburn were period non-exposed hammer designs. Sad that.
Your 45-70 loads will be more comfortable if made with Black Powder, its recoil impulse is less immediate. Either Black or using smokeless emulate the 45-70 Carbine load which was, iirc, the 400gr. bullet over 50gr of 1ffg Black. Contrary to popular opinion there is good reason to believe the cartridges of the Western Army, equipped primarily with the Cav. Carbine, was the Carbine Load, not the Infantry Rifle Load with the 70ish gr. The Army was cheap, especially post-cw, and the forts were not likely to be supplied with 2 different loads.
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Iíve got a Pedersoli Sharps in 357 mag and a Henry single shot in 44 mag. Both are ridiculously accurate!
Here is a picture of the Sharps. Donít have one of the Henry. But it is nothing to look at. It shoots really well, but looks like an oarÖ
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Ohhhh, Sweet!
Imo, that rifle would be a prime candidate for a lengthened chamber to 357Max IF you use a reamer with a cast bullet friendly leade (not all Max reamers are!).
The 357Max punches well out of its weight class.
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For under $500 the Henry is not a classic for certain but several I've seen have interesting wood and are well finished, for the price not bad. The triggers do need some work




.357 converted to .357 Maximum ?

Got that but its no classic either.



So far quite fun shooter.
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Winchester made some pretty lame decisions but sometimes the bean counters who get hired for business sense get tunnel vision on the numbers and don't have any common sense about marketing as a shooter.
I love the M37 shotguns but they could've been so much better, IMO, if Winchester had spent an extra buck or so and made them hammerless.
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For under $500 the Henry is not a classic for certain but several I've seen have interesting wood and are well finished, for the price not bad. The triggers do need some work
Beautiful Rifle!
How old is/are your Henry rifle(s)? The newer triggers (post trigger safety recall/repair) are pretty sweet. Mine is crisp and breaks just over 3 lbs.
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:16 PM
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Henry is making a Single Shot rifle in a number of calibers now, mine in .450 Bushmaster shots pretty well but is a kicker in that caliber.



Some really nice wood too....

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/single-shot-rifle/
Dang that's purty!
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:21 PM
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I feel Winchester made a lot of mistakes. A company is only as good as the person at the top. I think Winchester could have continued with the 1885. I know they should have never dropped the 1892. Probably the Model 12 shotgun would have continued to sell. The post 64 M70 was a marketing/image disaster.

Remington made a single shot bolt action. The prevailing theory and still today is the best single shot bolt will out shoot any falling block, 2 piece stock, single shot. Before nostalgia set in, accuracy and power were what counted. The gun magazines in the 60's had several articles on how any good bolt action would outperform an old style single shot. For RFC you can ask your selves seriously, do you think the 1885 LowWall would out shoot a Model 52? Or a High Wall out perform a Rem 40x or even a M700 sniper?

For low cost rimfire, there was Stevens. For centerfire there was no demand until Ruger made the demand. I am on my 4th Ruger No1. I have two keepers. You do not buy these to gain a performance edge. It is all about nostalgia. It takes some years for the nostalgia to kick in. I am sure there were no civil war replica muskets made in 1880.

The H&R and Thompson Center can give a edge in short and light. Then a Model 7 with an 18" barrel will do the same and more. I have not formed an opinion on Henry. Henry is today and today we have a lot of choices.
IME, the Martini International MK series will shoot with the best, in .22 LR at least. Admittedly, not exactly a woods gun, though, since it weighs a ton.

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.450 and .350 I believe are the last two introduced, comparing it to most of my other rifles isn't fair I guess, I've had it about 3 months.
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Old 07-15-2021, 09:32 PM
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The new Japanese version of the 1885 and the Italian versions are as good or better than the old Winchesters. Miroku and Uberti make some fine firearms. Miroku is of course sold under the Browning and Winchester names. Uberti makes them under a wide variety of names.
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