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Old 07-12-2020, 09:58 AM
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Scope & Rings Suggestions for KKJ .22LR/Photos Added



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I would like to scope my Walther KKJ in .22LR. As it is a very slim and light rifle, I don't want to add a scope that is bulky or heavy. A straight 4X is fine, as long as it is parallax corrected for a .22.

- For the rings I am thinking Warne, Talley, Burris or Leupold. My considerations are minimum bulk and weight. I'll get the ones with 11mm dovetail mounting to attach to the grooves on the receiver. I also do not want to have to remove the rear or front sights on the rifle. As low as possible for the bolt to clear the scope of choice and not have the sights interfere is desired. Aluminum rings to save weight and not affect the fine balance of the rifle would be preferred although I think the Warne or Talley vertical split rings might be good. I won't be removing and reattaching the scope.

- For the scope, I am looking for trim & light to match the design and aesthetics of the rifle. I don't need a variable or something with a large objective bell requiring the use of high rings. 4X is fine. I don't want cheap junk.

Suggestions are greatly appreciated.

- Photos added 07/31/2020 below

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Old 07-12-2020, 11:42 AM
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If you can find one, the older Burris 4X Mini RF/AR with adjustable objective are great scopes. For something newer, you're probably looking for something like a Weaver 4X rimfire.


FWIW, I have a vintage Kollmorgen Bear Cub 4X on my KKJ an am very happy with it
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Old 07-15-2020, 08:10 AM
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I’ve done some dumb stuff, but one of the dumbest was dropping a nice old Leupold Vari X III 1.5-5 onto my garage floor fumbling around trying to get it off a KKJ so I could work on the stock. I sent it back to Leupold and they’re thinking about whether they want to fix it. So I put an old Weaver K2.5 on and sighted it’s in temporarily. It has roughly the same profile as the old 1.5-5.

The pretty thing shoots great. (I sight all my ‘squirrel guns’ in at 40 yds and I set the parallax to that range.). I think this profile scope looks really good on the little KKJ.



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Old 07-15-2020, 08:37 AM
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Should have added the rings are Warne 22 Caliber. I have these on a Brno and a Winchester 69a, too, and they work fine, fit both 11mm and 3/8” dovetail.
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Old 07-15-2020, 08:44 AM
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A better look at the scope...

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Old 07-15-2020, 02:34 PM
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Thanks cyriltaylor. What height Warne rings did you choose, and is there any visible interference from the iron sights when looking through the scope ?

I do have an old Bushnell Banner .22 4X20mm, parallax corrected for 50 yards, gloss finish and made in Japan scope in excellent shape that I am considering using but don't know if the quality is really up to my KKJ. It does have a straight tube at the front like your Weaver.

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Old 07-15-2020, 04:50 PM
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The rings shown are medium height. Yes you see a ghost front sight if you look for it, at least in 2.5 magnification. Doesn’t bother me.

One consideration is shooting style...if you shoot with your head pushed forward (the scope mounted farther forward in the rings) you run a higher risk of interference from the rear sight. Note I shoot with my noggin as upright as I can get it it and my scopes all mount pretty far back comparatively speaking. I am 6’3” with long arms.

I have a couple old but serviceable scopes. I put a Leupold M8 4X 33mm objective in these rings, and it fit, but was so tight against the rear sight that a bikini scope cover wouldn’t fit. I like that scope a lot, but not as much as that Vari X iii, which has better glass (though a 20mm obj). I feel a scope has to have a cover better than an old sock. Note that a 33mm scope mounted further forward than mine would likely sit very close atop the sight and might not fit at all without going to high rings.

I despise high rings because I lose my cheek weld.

I also tried a K4 Weaver and a Redfield/Kollmorgen Bear Cub w/ similar results to the M8 (both also 33mm obj). I didn’t shoot with them, just slipped them into the rings and tightened a bit to see the view and determine if they were an option, since the rifle is fairly new to me. Both would work well. I lean towards old stuff that works well. The Weaver K’s, the M8 and the early Denver Redfields were excellent optics for their times and are still extremely serviceable and may be had in good condition for less than $200. The issue with all 3 is sitting so close to that rear sight.

Most wouldn’t consider a 2.5x scope these days, but most like to shoot at stuff way out there (like 70yds), which I respectfully consider a frivolous waste of good 22 ammunition (I shoot SK RM/Wolf MT in everything and it’s $7 a box.). At 60yds and under I don’t give up anything w a K2.5...unless it’s half dark (1948 lens and coatings technology/small obj lens) or letting it fog (not nitrogen flushed).

Hope that helps.

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Old 07-15-2020, 07:35 PM
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I run a redfield 1-4 in warne qd rings, I like the ability to use the irons and reinstall the scope and keep my zero. Itís a perfect little scope and I love the way it looks.

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Old 07-16-2020, 10:15 AM
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That is some beautiful wood on your KKJ iron85. I may go with the QD rings if I can find them. The Warne website says out of stock. Probably due to the shutdown and no production at the moment.

Does anyone know if the Talley rings for the CX 452 rifles which have a 11mm dovetail base will work ? The CZ receiver is a flat top and I don't know how well the Talley bases would mate up with the top of the KKJ receiver. I sure like how trim the Talley rings are.


I took my old Bushnell 4x20mm out on the porch yesterday afternoon and observed some gray squirrels running around across the street at ranges between about 35 yards to as much as about 100. It seemed to be better than I had remembered and with a good rest I'll bet I could make a shot out to 100 yards without much problem.

I don't understand the trend for people to put 2x7 or 3x9 scopes on a .22 unless it is a target rifle. 4X seems plenty for any ranges that one would attempt on a hunting rifle. I have an old Leupold M8 6X on my Kimber .22 Hornet and that seems just right for that cartridge too.

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