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Old 01-21-2020, 08:24 PM
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CCI 40 gr. Standard Velocity Cycling Issue



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I have a newer standard 10" model Charger and have been experiencing failures to eject brass about every 3rd or 4th round. The new round chambers, but the spent brass casing hangs up in front of the bolt, not allowing it to close. Probably only 200-300 hundred rounds total through the pistol so far. This problem happens even when running suppressed. HV rounds and CCI 45gr suppressor rounds are cycling with no issues. I did have some issues with the CCI standards in summer months, but not to this degree. I know a lot of you guys have had way more trigger time than I with your Chargers, and wondering if you could offer some advice to correct this and shorten my learning curve.

Thanks in advance, Bill
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Old 01-21-2020, 11:48 PM
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One of the original goals behind the bolt chamfer mod was reliable cycling with std velocity ammo.

Not ideal if you are gonna use a mix of ammo, so the best suggestion I have is to reduce cycling friction where you can... smooth, polish hammer face, bolt surfaces and even inside the receiver.
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Old 01-22-2020, 05:24 PM
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One of the original goals behind the bolt chamfer mod was reliable cycling with std velocity ammo.

Not ideal if you are gonna use a mix of ammo, so the best suggestion I have is to reduce cycling friction where you can... smooth, polish hammer face, bolt surfaces and even inside the receiver.

I went to work on the situation this afternoon, and did everything you recommended. I also followed the instructions from this video-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ji5u3NyUYo&t=453s rounding, smoothing and polishing all of the recommended parts. The upper part of the (aluminum) reciever did not have any of the black finish on it so I left that alone.

Tested it again--same thing--(only) the CCI would fail to eject, with brass hanging up and not allowing the bolt to close. I also had called Kidd, and the lady there said it could be the magazine. Tried 2 different 10 round mags and experienced identical problem. I even pulled out my 10/22 (16" barrel) and ran that unsuppressed and it cycled the CCI 40gr SV just fine.

Any more suggestions? What about a new Kidd bolt/guide rod? I'm really stumped over this. I could just avoid the SV ammo, but it doesn't seem like a 10/22 action should be that fussy with a round like that. Has anyone else had this experience with a 10" barrel charger?
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Old 01-22-2020, 09:49 PM
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Mine cycles fine with and without a suppressor. Ive also ran it with a 6inch and 10inch oem barrel. I only run cci sv in my rimfires.

Currently have a kidd bolt and their standard spring with guide rod but it was fine previous to that also. It does seem to feed easier with the kidd components. I also did spend 30min scotchbrite my internal receiver with some gun oil.

Ive had only one failure to feed and that was because i didnt clean the gun. Quick clean and lube with one shot dry lube. Good to go.
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Old 01-23-2020, 07:42 AM
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A new round in the chamber and spent round pinched by the bolt is commonly called a stovepipe jam. 99.9 percent or more of stovepipe jams are caused by the extractor not holding the spent round tight to the boltface. I admit polishing the receiver and guide rod will result in less stovepipes due to a smoother faster trip to the ejector with less chance of the spent round falling off the boltface. I have been running tuned ruger extractors for over 10 years and many thousands of rounds and have not had any stovepipes.
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Old 01-23-2020, 09:35 AM
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A new round in the chamber and spent round pinched by the bolt is commonly called a stovepipe jam. 99.9 percent or more of stovepipe jams are caused by the extractor not holding the spent round tight to the boltface. I admit polishing the receiver and guide rod will result in less stovepipes due to a smoother faster trip to the ejector with less chance of the spent round falling off the boltface. I have been running tuned ruger extractors for over 10 years and many thousands of rounds and have not had any stovepipes.
wonshott, you may be onto something here. I have noticed from time to time difficulty in extracting a live round from the chamber. Would you recommend I replace my factory extractor (only) at this point?
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Old 01-23-2020, 09:44 AM
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I'd get your bolt accurized or get an aftermarket one. Having the bolt radiusized and a VQ Exact edge extractor should do it though. That and lubes it up with dry lubes and put 2-3 bricks of HV through it. These guns like a break in period.

There are lots of solutions and they only cost money. Dang I hate admitting that.
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There was a 'tune up' on the extractor in one of the regular 10/22 sub fora c/w pics of how the notch in the breech face needed some needle file work and the hook on the extractor inspected/modded a smidge. All good stuff.
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Sorry to have to tell you to throw money at it but.. A KIDD BOLT and Handle Assembly is in order.

Also.. this is the Best lube for these lil' rifles/pistols...

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Old 01-23-2020, 12:18 PM
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Just ordered a Volquartzen extractor. Based on the advice here, and the extractor reviews at Midway and Brownell's, I think there's a good chance that will solve the issue. I will keep everyone posted on the results when it's installed. We all keep learning. Thanks everyone for your comments!
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Sorry to have to tell you to throw money at it but.. A KIDD BOLT and Handle Assembly is in order. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" /><img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/sthumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Blue Thumb" class="inlineimg" /><img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/sthumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Blue Thumb" class="inlineimg" />

Also.. this is the Best lube for these lil' rifles/pistols...

+1 this with a VQ extractor should eliminate your problems.
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Just ordered a Volquartzen extractor. Based on the advice here, and the extractor reviews at Midway and Brownell's, I think there's a good chance that will solve the issue. I will keep everyone posted on the results when it's installed. We all keep learning. Thanks everyone for your comments!
Let us know if it cures your problem.

I had one a 357 prefix receiver that I tried everything on and could not get it to run a full mag. Even tried a different factory bolt with VQ extractor- no luck. Out of desperation I had a brand new Kidd bolt sitting in inventory so I tried it. Never missed a beat. I did rob the Kidd bolt back out since that rifle is always going to be a factory stock shooter for the grandkids. I had a new JWH bolt sitting here that I installed when I removed the Kidd bolt. Hasn't missed a beat since the JWH bolt was installed.

I bet I cycled that barreled action holding the loaded mag in place with my fingers a thousand times watching the problem happen as it tried to pick up and feed a loaded round.
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Old 01-31-2020, 02:04 PM
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Results are in.

The extractor appears to be the issue, as I put the new one in today, and it is cycling the CCI SV with no issues now. So much for Ruger extractors. The comments about the Kidd bolt, and spring assembly upgrade are very much on my radar screen. I'm going to do some more shooting/testing for now, but there may be some more upgrading sooner than later!

Thank you everyone for your advice!!
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