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Old 04-21-2021, 04:39 PM
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I don't know about laws elsewhere, but where I live in Alabama USA centerfire rifles are forbidden for small game hunting. Centerfire handguns are legal, but no rifles. I don't agree, but I don't get to make the laws.

PCP air rifles are the best rifle type substitutes for rimfires for small game hunting around here, then I suppose shotguns and muzzleloading guns next. You could always try a scoped centerfire smallbore handgun; that would be great if you could get to be a good handgun shot. I'm not really familiar with what is available in smaller caliber centerfire handgun cartridges.
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Old 04-22-2021, 08:53 AM
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In the past I have wanted a .25 ACP rifle so that I could shoot hand loaded squirrel loads. While it would be fun, the most reasonable way that I thought of would be to get a T/C single shot and have a barrel made for it.
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Old 04-22-2021, 11:51 AM
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Its not that strict to get ammo. Just increase your amount to purchase.
You have a good reason as in the traveling.
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Old 04-22-2021, 11:53 AM
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Get a hornet, cheap 45gn full patch bullet from PPU or S&B and some blue dot and you can get 22lr to 22mag performance.
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How many rounds of 22 are you allowed to have in possession? Here in the states we usually have no limits and so an extra few bricks is much cheaper than trying to reload any other cartridge.
1000 for target shooters is quite typical, if you are solely a hunter it might be as little as 250

I know some guys who shoot serious comp and are on the team GB squad who can buy 5k at a time although this is not that common.

I can buy 1200, I can send back my certificate to the police and ask for them to "up" it .But I would have to give a good reason. Having to travel to Bisley is quite far as the NSRA shop sell high end ammo, SK ,RWS, Eley, Lapua and Tennex etc

The gunshops local to me only stock Winchester hollow point subs and CCI std which my rifles don't seem to like

In the last few days I have had some incredible news regarding shooting!

I have been invited deer stalking on a very posh country estate! I'm going up in the world!

Apparently the place looks like a down at heal version of Downton Abbey so as advised by my hunting pals ill be applying for a .308 with sound moderator aka a silencer,. While I'm at, ill ask for 4k rimfire, knowing they'll probably bump me down to 3k

Apologies it must baulk some of you guys to hear me whine, when I hear tales of you poor guys in America having to travel many hundreds of miles, crossing states just to pick up a few boxes of ammo and here I am complaining about a 60 mile round trip there and back.


With regards to the muzzle loader, I wouldn't dream of trying to smuggle anything back to the UK as I don't like the thought of going to Joliet and we can own the here as well, I have seen the mini black widows in the UK but they are very rare as I haven't seen one for sale in many years. I think they where only imported for a short time.

I used to have an Uberti Colt navy in .36 but was put off by the cleaning and smell as we only shot indoors at that club.


I have around 400 CCI std that I would happily send to you guys along with about 250 Eley match the black cased stuff of old. both of which my two rimfire rifles don't seem to like. but I think the law would intercede I wouldn't want to appear on any watch list!


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Old 04-23-2021, 05:21 AM
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I don't know about laws elsewhere, but where I live in Alabama USA centerfire rifles are forbidden for small game hunting. Centerfire handguns are legal, but no rifles. I don't agree, but I don't get to make the laws.
We have the same law here in Kentucky, No centerfire rifles or handguns allowed for hunting Small Game. When I lived in Indiana, there one could use any centerfire rifle or pistol for hunting Squirrels & Small game. Up in Sothern Indiana, I used my .22 Hornet with light loads using: 7.0 grains/SR-4759/50 grain SP "Hi-Vel" type bullet, and also used my Winchester Model 43 in .25-20 (Factory loaded) 86 grain bullets + my Handloads. Both rifle were excellent bring Fox Squirrels to Bag with less damage then if shot with a .22 LR Hollow Point.
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Old 04-23-2021, 05:58 AM
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Interesting comment about the muzzle loader

In the US are black powder guns "off ticket" meaning you need no license to buy one?

Obviously I'm not a villain, But as a visitor or tourist would I just be able to walk into a gun shop and buy one without being a US citizen? It would be fun to pick up a black widow NAA mini revolver.

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I am not familiar with the NAA, but muzzle loaders and cap and ball revolvers are not regulated at the federal level. My recent black powder Kentucky pistol was a mail order purchase. No paper work of any kind. A new gun that uses a cartridge is not exempt. Antiques, that is 1898 and older are exempt from federal control. There are some exceptions if a person tries to get cute with a sawed off shotgun, etc...

I have read that 2 or 3 States have some added rules. I dont know the details. Those might include Michigan and New Jersey. And the other "usual suspects".

If the USA does not regulate and your home country does not regulate cap&ball, maybe you can mail order one? The NAA, I mean.

Added comment: These black powder exceptions used to be sold in K_Mart, WalMart, etc .... Today, perhaps some rural farm centers? Does not have to be a gun shop.

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Old 04-23-2021, 08:53 AM
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[...] Apologies it must baulk some of you guys to hear me whine, when I hear tales of you poor guys in America having to travel many hundreds of miles, crossing states just to pick up a few boxes of ammo and here I am complaining about a 60 mile round trip there and back. [...]
Not at all, my good sir. I for one greatly admire your tenacity, and folks like you are needed to keep the shooting sports going in the old country.

It also helps keep things in perspective for us over here; if we don't all hang together we shall all hang separately.
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How many rounds of 22 are you allowed to have in possession? Here in the states we usually have no limits and so an extra few bricks is much cheaper than trying to reload any other cartridge.
1000 for target shooters is quite typical, if you are solely a hunter it might be as little as 250

I know some guys who shoot serious comp and are on the team GB squad who can buy 5k at a time although this is not that common.

I can buy 1200, I can send back my certificate to the police and ask for them to "up" it .But I would have to give a good reason. Having to travel to Bisley is quite far as the NSRA shop sell high end ammo, SK ,RWS, Eley, Lapua and Tennex etc

The gunshops local to me only stock Winchester hollow point subs and CCI std which my rifles don't seem to like

In the last few days I have had some incredible news regarding shooting!

I have been invited deer stalking on a very posh country estate! I'm going up in the world!

Apparently the place looks like a down at heal version of Downton Abbey so as advised by my hunting pals ill be applying for a .308 with sound moderator aka a silencer,. While I'm at, ill ask for 4k rimfire, knowing they'll probably bump me down to 3k

Apologies it must baulk some of you guys to hear me whine, when I hear tales of you poor guys in America having to travel many hundreds of miles, crossing states just to pick up a few boxes of ammo and here I am complaining about a 60 mile round trip there and back.


With regards to the muzzle loader, I wouldn't dream of trying to smuggle anything back to the UK as I don't like the thought of going to Joliet and we can own the here as well, I have seen the mini black widows in the UK but they are very rare as I haven't seen one for sale in many years. I think they where only imported for a short time.

I used to have an Uberti Colt navy in .36 but was put off by the cleaning and smell as we only shot indoors at that club.


I have around 400 CCI std that I would happily send to you guys along with about 250 Eley match the black cased stuff of old. both of which my two rimfire rifles don't seem to like. but I think the law would intercede I wouldn't want to appear on any watch list!


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I'm not sure the " good reason" is required once you own the rifle you have already given a " good reason" for!
For instance I am a hunter but have an aquire 2000 at any one time.
I don't think they put a limit on how much you can hold in stock anymore.

If however on renewal of the license or submission for a variation and only one purchase of ammunition has been made within a considerable time period they may question the amount to aquire and hold!
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Old 04-23-2021, 03:18 PM
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Sub caliber inserts are readily available for shotguns. I have a set of sights that fit on my double 20 rib and I do have a few inserts. Problem is regulating them. Lot simpler on the single shot but difficult to mount sights. I need a single with a vent rib. I also found if you are going to use inserts on a double you better grind extractor clearance on the insert once you get it regulated.
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