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Interesting thread.
I looked at my Mossberg and found:
44USD
Could not find a serial #. Where would it be?
I was told years ago it was made in 1947. Not sure if that's correct.
Does "US" mean this was government property at one time?

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Old 02-04-2013, 11:21 PM
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Interesting thread.
I looked at my Mossberg and found:
44USD
Could not find a serial #. Where would it be?
I was told years ago it was made in 1947. Not sure if that's correct.
Does "US" mean this was government property at one time?

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The US on your 44US is part of the model nomenclature. The (D) series is a civilian model made from 1948 thru 1949. There were only a limited number of 44US rifles with the letter "a" in ( ) that were related to a military contract. All other 44US models with a letter in ( ) were civilian models. The Gun Control Act of 1968 required all firearms to have a serial number. To my knowledge, all of the military 44US rifles had a serial number and were stamped on the barrel & receiver with "US Property as per government contract requirements. If I type in error, sakorick, or someone else, will correct my statements.

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FFR&G nailed it. Regards, Rick.
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152982, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, blued, appears unissued



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Serial #116680, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 Receiver Sight, parkerized. Minty condition. Lyman 17A is now mounted up front.
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Exclamation u.s. property

only markings are..u.s.property ser. no. 113987.. has Lyman 57 Ms back sight no markings on front sight..it is tapped 2 times by u.s. property. and two times middle area of barrel..please tell me any info on this as It has no other markings or stamps on it..thanks
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Exclamation u.s. property

only markings are..u.s.property ser. no. 113987.. has Lyman 57 Ms back sight no markings on front sight..it is tapped 2 times by u.s. property. and two times middle area of barrel..please tell me any info on this as It has no other markings or stamps on it..thanks
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As of 02-21-13. 105 US, 11 US(a) and 4 NWSC, 118 total. Please check to make sure we haven't missed any!

Serial number, wood, sights, characteristics(none or list if non-standard)

100035, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rcvr, none
100195, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rcvr, none
100212, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rcvr, none
100236, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Parkerized. *Lyman 17A installed temporarily
101195, Beech?, Lyman 17A, Lyman 57MS (Early Type), Parkerized / Metal green & red safety buttons
102590, Birch, S-122 front, S-100 rear, blued
101274, birch, single scalop sight recess, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rear, blued, from the CMP
101488, birch, single scalop sight recess, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rear, parkerized, from the CMP
103625, birch, S-122 front sight, S-100 Rear, parkerized, from the CMP
103769, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57 rcvr, currently in Peru, metal re-blued by Peruvian Navy workshop, "U.S. Property" in receiver
103838, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rcvr, none
104029, Birch, Lyman 17A front sight, S-100 Rear, blued, CMP
104614, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rcvr
104660, Beech stock, S100 rear, S122 front, metal red safety button.
104795 Birch stock S-122 front, Lyman 57MS Rcvr, parked
105206 Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS, Parkerized, bought as barreled receiver from CMP, Correct stock from Numrich
105505, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rcvr, Long Rifle spelled out
106546, Beech, Lyman 17A front, Lyman 57MS rear, none
107299, Birch, S-122 front, no rcvr, CMP incomplete, blue
107317, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr
107852, Beech, S-122 front sight, S-100 Rear, blued, from the CMP
107945, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS, Ordance cartouche
108791, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, parkerized 1/23/43
109147, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman57MS rcvr, none
109227, Beech, Lyman 57ms rear, s100 front, manufacture date 1/21/43. U.s. Property on barrel and on reciever.
110183, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rcvr, none
110843, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr
111052, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rcvr, blue, U.S. PROPERTY on bbl and rcvr
113633. Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rcvr, double cut-out stock
113737, Beech, S122 front, Lyman57MS rear, green park metal, cross cannons on butt stock
113987, ? ,Lyman 57 Ms back sight no markings on front sight..it is tapped 2 times by u.s. property
116629, Beech, Lyman 17a front, Lyman 57ms receiver, blued, U.S. Property on barrel and on receiver, missing indicators.
116666, Beech/Birch, Lyman 17A front, S-100 rcvr, none
116680, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 Receiver Sight, parkerized
117663, Beech, Lyman 17A, Lyman 57MS (Early Type), none
117865, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Metal green safety button / Cross cannon cartouche on butt stock
117893, Beech, Lyman 17 AMI, Lyman 57MS rcvr, none
118324, Beech, S-100, S-122, Blue "U.S. Property" on bbl. & rcvr.
119104, birch, S-122 front sight, S-100 Rear, blued, from the CMP
120000, Birch, S-122 front, S-130 rear, parkerized, CMP rifle
122614, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none
123107, Birch, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none
123342, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, blued
125065, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Metal green & red safety buttons
125248, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Parkerized
126486, Beech, S-122 front sight, S-100 Rear, blued, from the CMP
126629, Birch, S-122 front, No rcvr sight when aquired, none
126993, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rear, blued.
127161, beech, s100 rear, s122 front, parkerized (cmp), none
130177, Birch, S-122 front, S-100 rear, parkerized
142463, Beech, S-122 Front, S-100 rcvr, none
142464, beech, S-100 with standard front sight, factory drilled &tapped, N.T.C D66 stamped on stock.
143612, birch, Mossberg S-100 rear, Lyman globe front, blued metal.
143639, Beech? S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, D&T'd
144166, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr
144176, birch, S-122 front sight, S-130 Rear, Factory D&T, blued, from the CMP
144180, Beech, S-122 front w/hood, S-100 rcvr, CMP, D&T, blued
144181, Beech, S-122 front w/hood, S-100 rcvr, CMP, D&T, blued
144738, Beech, S-122 front sight, S-130 Rear, Factory D&T, blued
144900 Beech, s-122 front, S-100 rcvr, blued from cmp, replacement mag
144962, Beech, S100 rear. Lyman #17 front, Blued, Cartouche on stock.
145068, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none.
145455, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, D&T'd
145578, Beech? S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none
146220, Birch, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none
146270, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none
144628, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, D&T'd
146055, Birch, Lyman 17A front, S-100 Rear, not d&t, steel buttplate, rcvr & barrel u.s. marked, CMP
146294, Beech, S-122 front, S100 rcvr, none
147629, Birch, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, blue
147946, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rear sight, Blued, US Property, O 42 on Stock.
148082, Birch, S-122, Lyman 57MS rcvr , single cut out stock.
148532, unknown but not Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, blue, U.S. PROPERTY on bbl and rcvr
148600, unknown, front unk, rear S-100 parkerized
148823, Beech, S-122 front, S100 rcvr, none
148981 Beech stock, Lyman 17 front sight, S-100 rec'vr sight US PROPERTY marked. Blued barrel, parkerized stock plate
149520, Beech, S-122, S-100, blued.
151287, no stock, S-122 front, NO rcvr, blued, purchased as barreled receiver, no bolt, barrel D&T for S-107 barrel sight, not D&T on side
151606, Beech/Birch, S-122 front, Scoped - got it with scope mount in a trade
152109, Beech, S122 front, S-100 rcvr, parked barreled action and floorplate, blued sights
152482, birch, S-122 front sight, S-100 Rear, blued, from the CMP
152823, Birch, S-122 front, s-100 rcvr, CMP, blue, cross cannon rt side
152946, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Blued, appears to have never been issued
152982, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, blued, appears unissued
152988, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr
153022, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none
153199, Beech, S-122 front sight, S-100 Rear, blued, from the CMP
153864, 44US, Beech, Lyman 17 Front, S100 Rear, Blued, Fixed swivels, No D&T, US Property Barrel and Reciever
154436, Beech/Birch, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, blue, not factory D&T on side for scope base, OD green canvas web sling
154694, Sporter conversion, Scoped
154839, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Parkerized (I installed aftermkt trigger guard)
154988, Beech, Lyman 17A front, S-100 rcvr, parkerized, U.S. PROPERTY on barrel & receiver
155998, Birch S-122 front, S100 rcvr, blued, U.S. PROPERTY on receiver and barrel.
156021, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, 44 electro penciled on receiver
156123, Beech, Lyman 17A, S-100 rcvr, none
156151, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Ordance cartouche
158178, Lyman target sight. No rear sight D&T for scope, blued. Have the correct sights for it...
158921, beech, S-122, no rcvr sight, blued
161018, Beech, S-122 front sight, S-130 Rear, parkerized, from the CMP
161249, Beech, S-122 front, S-130 rcvr, non standard/upgraded rcvr sight
161276, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none
162008, Birch, S-122 front, S-100 rear, parkerized
162787, Beach, S-122 front sight, S-130 Rear, blued, from the CMP
164083, birch, S-122 front sight, S-130 Rear, Factory D&T, blued, from the CMP
164207, Beech, S-122 front, S-130 rcvr, non standard/upgraded rcvr sight
165247, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, blued - D&T for side mount (factory)
165300, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, (oldest SN to date)

1X0355, 44US(a), Beech, no sights - D&T for peep & side mount (factory), D&T for Weaver (non-factory) which obscured serial #, blued
107488, 44US(a), Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rcvr(????????)
139997, 44US(a), unknown, unknown, unknown, D&T'd, US property marked
140526, 44US(a), Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, D&T'd, US property marked
140635, 44US(a), Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, D&T, US property marked
140711, 44US(a), Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, D&T, US property marked
140889, M44US(a) Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, D&T, blued, US Property marked
140969, 44US(a), Birch, S-122 front, no rcvr, CMP incomplete, blue, D&T, US PROPERTY on top left of O.F.M. logo
141803, 44 U.S.(a), Beech, S-100, S-122, Blue, "U.S. Property" on bbl. & rcvr.
142277, 44US(a), Birch, S-122 front, 57MS rcvr, D&T, Ordnance cartouche on L side of stock, US property marked .
142906, 44US(a), Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, D&T, US PROPERTY on top left of O.F.M. logo

NWSC 0004, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, original serial number X'd out, CMP rifle
NWSC 0058, Beech, S-122 front, no rear peep, Parkerized, Naval Weapons Support Center. Crane Original SN unreadable
NWSC 2747, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr
NWSC 2812, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Parkerized, Naval Weapons Support Center. Crane Original SN unreadable

XX7919, Beech, no sights, first 2 digits of SN obliterated by tap holes.

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126993, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rear, blued.








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Two more for the database.

148159, Beech stock, S-100 sight. Blue. Looks practically new.
125293, Beech stock. Parkerized with a blued S-100 sight. This one looks like the barreled action was dropped, the trigger is bent a bit. Parkerizing is 100%, pale green color. Vic Havlin said this one was parkerized around 1964.

Neither has a front sight hood, both are good shooters.
Paid $300 for the blued one, $275 for the parkerized one, both within the last 2 years.

Neither is drilled and tapped, both have replaced TG's.

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Old 06-05-2013, 12:41 AM
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165210, Beech?, front S-122 no hood, rear S-130 (not a typo), nice original blue, stock poorly redone spray gloss polyurethane, no major or repaired damage, not D&T.

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Here we go! Please enter your 44 US serial numbered rifles and list the information shown in rifle #1.

Serial number, wood, sights, characteristics(none or list if non-standard)

1. 100035, Beech, S-122 ramp, Lyman57MS rcvr, none
WOW! Now I'm very curious about my 44 U.S.(a) verison. I have not been able to locate a serial number, and I even removed the weaver side mounted scope base to see if there was one hidden under it. I'm going to remove it later today again to determine if there is a s/n on it. So, for now my gun is as follows:

no s/n found, not sure about the stock as it is kind of blonde in color (Beech?), no sights - T&D for side mount (Weaver N2 on it) with a Weaver G4 scope.

Okay, here is a little history behind this 44 U.S.(a). My late grandfather found this gun standing upright in an "L' shaped wall beam in an old barn that was converted into a garage in Brookfield, CT. back in 1991. The bolt was in the open position, the barrel was completely covered in rust and clogged with gunk, the stock was practically black in color (badly weathered) and had some deep pits/scratches in it and the scope glass was completely whited out and no mag clip. I convinced him to let me have the gun to clean it up and have it checked out to see if it was shootable. I'll post a few pics when I can connect my camera to the computer (at home this evening). I did nothing to the barrel except 00 steel wool it to remove the solid coating of rust. I completely sanded down the stock with very fine sand paper and just put a finish coating on it (no staining was done) and I cleaned out the scope and removed the cloudiness from the glass. This gun shoots so accurately with this scope - unbelievable! I thought maybe my gun did not have a serial number on it because it only has the 44 U.S.(a) stamp on it (Civilian Issue?) and no U.S. Property stamp. I'll include a close-up pic of the Mossberg stamp on the barrel as well.
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WOW! Now I'm very curious about my 44 U.S.(a) verison. I have not been able to locate a serial number, and I even removed the weaver side mounted scope base to see if there was one hidden under it. I'm going to remove it later today again to determine if there is a s/n on it. So, for now my gun is as follows:

no s/n found, not sure about the stock as it is kind of blonde in color (Beech?), no sights - T&D for side mount (Weaver N2 on it) with a Weaver G4 scope.

Okay, here is a little history behind this 44 U.S.(a). My late grandfather found this gun standing upright in an "L' shaped wall beam in an old barn that was converted into a garage in Brookfield, CT. back in 1991. The bolt was in the open position, the barrel was completely covered in rust and clogged with gunk, the stock was practically black in color (badly weathered) and had some deep pits/scratches in it and the scope glass was completely whited out and no mag clip. I convinced him to let me have the gun to clean it up and have it checked out to see if it was shootable. I'll post a few pics when I can connect my camera to the computer (at home this evening). I did nothing to the barrel except 00 steel wool it to remove the solid coating of rust. I completely sanded down the stock with very fine sand paper and just put a finish coating on it (no staining was done) and I cleaned out the scope and removed the cloudiness from the glass. This gun shoots so accurately with this scope - unbelievable! I thought maybe my gun did not have a serial number on it because it only has the 44 U.S.(a) stamp on it (Civilian Issue?) and no U.S. Property stamp. I'll include a close-up pic of the Mossberg stamp on the barrel as well.
I sure sounds like your 44US (a) is definitely a civilian model.
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I sure sounds like your 44US (a) is definitely a civilian model.
Okay that makes sense, but the conversations in earlier posts gave me the impression that the (a) meant the gun was designated for a military contract, but then I couldn't locate a s/n and that confused me. I did some major overhaul on this one.


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Okay that makes sense, but the conversations in earlier posts gave me the impression that the (a) meant the gun was designated for a military contract, but then I couldn't locate a s/n and that confused me. I did some major overhaul on this one.


Hmmm.....trying to figure out how to add photos? I don't see an option to add them
We probably should have this discussion in a separate thread since this one is primarily designed for the collection of data regarding these rifles. However.....................

There were a small number of the 44US (a) model which were originally produced for the military and were US Property marked on the barrel & receiver and had a military assigned serial number stamped on the receiver.

If I remember correctly, none of these rifles actually made it to the military for use, but were sold on the civilian market. If I type in error, sakorick will correct my statements.

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