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Old 01-17-2020, 03:30 PM
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A couple of additional red flags to me are the length of the unreduced diameter of the barrel at the receiver ( considerably longer than the usual mm410b) and What I perceive as a. the lack of a rear sight.
This is precisely what I meant in my question regarding the step in the barrel.
PG: Is that part of the barrel, or does it appear to be added on? It looks to be turned that way and is integral to the barrel. The barrel roll marks or stamps at the breech would be important to see.

Regarding "red flags," definitely some things to try to confirm, but, as we all know, the rarer the feature, the more difficult to confirm, lacking some factory letter or picture. Case in point: Everyone knows Winchester drilled and tapped some 52 sporting barrels for scope blocks (I have a picture of a Winchester employee test firing a scoped 52A sporter at the Winchester test range, surrounded by dozens of other 52s awaiting test firing), but no one has ever seen a factory letter confirming Winchester D&T'd a specific rifle. Collectors, therefore, automatically assume any extra holes to be non-original, irrespective of how well done.

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Old 01-17-2020, 03:37 PM
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I don't know if anyone knows a fair value of this apparently rare rifle, but the seller is asking $4000 Canadian which is just over $3000 USD.
That's getting up there, but, IF that rifle, in fact, came from pre-war Oberndorf that way, I would say I would pay that.

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I want to thank everyone for the help and advice.

Here's a couple more pictures.


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Not to nit pick, (although maybe nit-picking is in order on a rifle selling for $4,000 CDN) but I also have a concern about the stock having been modified. If you look at the left side of the stock, forward of the bolt release, there is wood that has been removed where the barreled action meets the stock.

By way of contrast, look at the left side of my unaltered Mauser Mm 410B.




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That barrel appears to be a turned-down 350B barrel, something I could see Mauser doing to mount a scope, but anyone else would be able to do the same, and there are no visible caliber stampings.

More interesting is the receiver is not grooved but has the later non-elliptical loading port. The earlier 34s were not grooved, but they were solid-bottom single shots, and I don't think I've seen a non-grooved 340, 350, 420, or 410. Maybe others have. Again, I could see Mauser using a non-grooved receiver for a rifle that was being produced for a scope sight, but it is kind of starting to feel like someone other than Mauser put that rifle together. We may never know.

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Old 01-17-2020, 04:21 PM
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Not to nit pick, (although maybe nit-picking is in order on a rifle selling for $4,000 CDN) but I also have a concern about the stock having been modified. If you look at the left side of the stock, forward of the bolt release, there is wood that has been removed where the barreled action meets the stock.

By way of contrast, look at the left side of my unaltered Mauser Mm 410B.




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Starting to feel like Sherlock Holmes here, but I found this pic, FWIW:

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http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread....ghlight=Mm410b

That one has the rear sight of the ms or es350b and the sight mount for the zf41 but the scope is missing. It has a grooved receiver otherwise seem the same. Additional photos in the link.

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Thanks for sharing this PG and getting us all worked up (in a good way)
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My guess is that this is an MS350B which has been modified. Modified by Mauser or someone else!

Is there a repaired hole in the bottom of the stock where the 350 front sling swivel would have been?
What is the serial number and what are the proof marks. Do the markings on the barrel match those on the receiver?
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And from the RFC archives. . .

Here is another somewhat similar rifle:

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum....php?t=1139465

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Here is another somewhat similar rifle:

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum....php?t=1139465

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From the link above, post #19 had me more curious for obvious reasons.

Here are some more pictures, including the first below, which is one of the previous photos blown up to show the serial number, albeit not very clearly.



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Just throwing out a few more observations:
The 5-digit serial number was supposedly used on 410b rifles destined for England near the end of the 410 production. The non-schnabel stock with the grip cap was also offered later, in 1940-1941, but it appeared in the 1939 catalog. Also, the in-process 410 receiver pics in the Speed book indicate the receiver grooves were machined last, so, again, Mauser could have logically omitted that for a rifle intended from the beginning for scope use. Any markings you could show, including marks inside the stock, would shed further light.
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From the link above, post #19 had me more curious for obvious reasons.

Here are some more pictures, including the first below, which is one of the previous photos blown up to show the serial number, albeit not very clearly.



Those last two bits alone are worth $500-$600, or more.
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It looks like a DSM34 barrel.
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The picture is a little blurred but it looks like the receiver has an eagle proof mark which would indicate a manufacture date of 1940, or later, and a six digit serial number around 220,000, or more.. My five digit serial number 410B has BUG proof marks. Both of my late model post 1939 stocked 410B rifles (one with BUG and one with Eagle proofs) have no logos on the stock and a schnabel tips. I have never seen a 410B without a schnabel!

It is a shame that we cannot see under the scope base to see the barrel markings.

Does this rifle have a barrel code like ES350 CH51 stamped 4 to 6 inches from the muzzle?
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