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Old 03-03-2021, 01:45 PM
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Hellos and greets to everyone here, Iím a new member to the forums, but have some experience with firearms in my past.

I was in armed security and an armoured car driver for three years ending in 1999. Fast forward to 2020 and Iím disabled retired from truck driving since 2012.

Due to looking up handguns to protect my family from violent neighbour, Iíll be purchasing a Glock 42 as a conceal carry soon. While I was looking up the Glocks, I stumbled onto long distance shooting, and LOVE what I have seen.

I have a few ideas about starting in shooting bench rest rifles, all in 22 or and 22 magnum.
From the Ruger Precision, to the Tika, and maybe when I get my SSDI retirement, maybe a custom built rifle, or maybe even a Vudoo. Drools... sorry... I was dreaming a moment.

However, I do have a few questions...
1.) How difficult is it to build a rifle from parts that I seen listed from forums that a lot of shooters like? Do I need a FFL a to build a rifle In my home? Do I need a doctorate in Gunsmithing, welding and such? Or just a great set of wrenches, screwdrivers and a corner of my dinner table?
2.) A huge caveat, is I am disabled and require the use of leg braces and crutches to walk, but may be headed to a wheelchair in a year or two. I have full use of my hands and body, itís just my knees and ankles are going south. Are these shooting groups permitting disabled people to shoot as well, safely of course. I Ďcaní lay prone for shooting, it just takes me a bit longer to get down to the ground gracefully.
3.) Are there groups that are focused on the .22lr rifles and extreme long distance, like up to a mile or further?
4.) Have anyone else buil their own .22lr rifle for long distance on the forums here?

My humble apologies for rambling, but I found leads of a new hobby that involves guns, shooting, and with the blessings of my wife and daughter as well. We will get lessons from our local gun retailer here in Avondale, Pa.

And, as a side note: I have read posts from the owner of Vudoo rifles and how open he is to fan of his rifles. That is great, how he listens to people ask him things about his guns, and how he listens and offers advice as well. If I could work for his company, Iíd love to be the guy to sweep the shells from his shooting range, showing I appreciate his business ethics and the way he carries himself.

in closing, thank you for allowing me to join this forum...
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Old 03-03-2021, 02:09 PM
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It would all depend on what you can or cannot do according to your location. There are different local/State regulations, that may be required locally in addition to the Fed Laws..Depending on just what you want to build. Cannot help much there. Why do you want to assemble..Good enough options out there to just buy for your needs.


Go to the BATF website and read up on Federal Regulations..Also research your local Laws so you stay within their parameters..Not really a a good iudea to ask for legal advice on a Forum..

I surely will not, nor am I in the position to offer legal advice to you.

Sorry to hear of your troubles..And Welcome.

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However, I do have a few questions...
1.) How difficult is it to build a rifle from parts that I seen listed from forums that a lot of shooters like? Do I need a FFL a to build a rifle In my home? Do I need a doctorate in Gunsmithing, welding and such? Or just a great set of wrenches, screwdrivers and a corner of my dinner table?
2.) A huge caveat, is I am disabled and require the use of leg braces and crutches to walk, but may be headed to a wheelchair in a year or two. I have full use of my hands and body, itís just my knees and ankles are going south. Are these shooting groups permitting disabled people to shoot as well, safely of course. I Ďcaní lay prone for shooting, it just takes me a bit longer to get down to the ground gracefully.
3.) Are there groups that are focused on the .22lr rifles and extreme long distance, like up to a mile or further?
4.) Have anyone else buil their own .22lr rifle for long distance on the forums here?

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Hi DG welcome to RFC! Random thoughts on your questions below.

1) It is not difficult to assemble a nice mid range target rifle from parts. Actually building a competition rifle is a much more complicated endeavor best left to specialists.

2) I don't think your disabilities will hamper enjoyment of shooting. I know guys in wheelchairs that shoot competitively and hunt deer and elk every year. Just takes some determination which obviously you have.

3) Long range precision rimfire is an up and coming facet of the shooting sports but we're talking more like 300-400 yards at the outside. Most of us shoot at 50 or 100 yards. A mile is 1760 yards and that's tough territory for magnum centerfires. The poor little .22 long rifle wouldn't stand a chance.

4) A few but not common. Again, the machining precision required and cost of that class of rifles puts them out of range for most of us.

I'd say start simple with .22 bolt action in the $400-$500 range and try working your way from 25 yards up to 100 yards and see how you like it. And of course read around here and you'll learn all kinds of fun stuff

...stay away from the CZ forum though, those guys and gals will cost you a LOT of money!

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Old 03-03-2021, 05:06 PM
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Hi DG welcome to RFC! Random thoughts on your questions below.

1) It is not difficult to assemble a nice mid range target rifle from parts. Actually building a competition rifle is a much more complicated endeavor best left to specialists.

2) I don't think your disabilities will hamper enjoyment of shooting. I know guys in wheelchairs that shoot competitively and hunt deer and elk every year. Just takes some determination which obviously you have.

3) Long range precision rimfire is an up and coming facet of the shooting sports but we're talking more like 300-400 yards at the outside. Most of us shoot at 50 or 100 yards. A mile is 1760 yards and that's tough territory for magnum centerfires. The poor little .22 long rifle wouldn't stand a chance.

4) A few but not common. Again, the machining precision required and cost of that class of rifles puts them out of range for most of us.

I'd say start simple with .22 bolt action in the $400-$500 range and try working your way from 25 yards up to 100 yards and see how you like it. And of course read around here and you'll learn all kinds of fun stuff

...stay away from the CZ forum though, those guys and gals will cost you a LOT of money!

Cheers,

Frank
Heheheh ok much needed advice for the CZ forums, I shall tread lightly... if no one hears from me, send in the rescue dogs... ^^

I am thinking along the lines of the Ruger 10/22, the new one with the polymer stock... the futuristic looking one... and maybe as a fun little project try to build my own little hybrid bench rest rifle, and try to match the Ruger in accuracy and distances.

I have seen a lot of those premium priced rifles like the Vudoo, and wow... Iíll need to sell off a neighbourís kidney or something for that cost.... but I can dream.

I will read, and read, and then read some more thru the forums, mainly for ideas and shooting tips. If I can get a rifle, Iíll start on lessons and maybe contact a group as well for target days.

Will let you all know what happens, when it happens...

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Old 03-03-2021, 05:25 PM
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Welcome to the forums!
First, I think you are on the right track with the 10/22. it's sort of the small block chevy of the gun world. Or maybe the AR15 of the rimfire world would be a better analogy!

Anyway, there are so many aftermarket parts available, that you can build a complete gun, or just modify yours to whatever extent you wish. I'm no expert, but so far as I am aware, there is no problem building a rifle for your own use. Just don't build it purposely for sale, and don't run afoul of any local regulations such as magazine capacity, or federal regs such as barrel length.

I don't think any organizations will prohibit your entry in their competitive events, but some are "action oriented" so you'd likely not be interested in those anyway. Benchrest shooting, and some position shooting disciplines will likely be where you are headed if you go the competition route.

Good luck to you!!
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Greetings from Pa. New member with a few questions...

Hello and welcome to this forum from central MI.

Think about investing in a CZ 452 Trainer, Lux, Untra Lux or Super Exclusive. The guns on the right are CZ 452ís and they are 22lr. There are things you can do with theses guns that make improvements that wonít break the bank. Like trigger work, bedding/floating the barrel and polishing parts but there are not many after market parts for these guns.
These are great shooting guns out of the box so you donít need to bolt on a lot of new parts to make these better. You will have a great time researching what others/you have done to improve this gun. Nice CZ452ís run $500+.

The bottom picture is of an Anshutz 54 Match. If the shooter does their job, itís in a class by itís self. Guns like the one in picture will run $1500+.






Want a gun that will out shoot most 22lr rifles with decent ammunition and shooter.




If getting up and down helps you physically, shooting prone may offer more benefit to you. My suggestion is that you shouldnít underestimate the challenges of bench rest shooting. CZ 452ís and Anshutz 54ís win a lot of them every year. A well tuned $500 gun can/does beat a $4500 gun once in a while.



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Let's discus the decision to get a Glock 42.

A good conceal carry gun, it lacks in several departments, especially for a novice.

It has a limited capacity. It doesn't come with night sights.

Get a Sig P365 instead. Get the fifteen round magazines to help get a full grip on the pistol. You'll shoot it better. Have over twice the capacity, and it comes with night sights.
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Wow that Anshutz gun is gorgeous....

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Hello and welcome to this forum from central MI.

Think about investing in a CZ 452 Trainer, Lux, Untra Lux or Super Exclusive. The guns on the right are CZ 452ís and they are 22lr. There are things you can do with theses guns that make improvements that wonít break the bank. Like trigger work, bedding/floating the barrel and polishing parts but there are not many after market parts for these guns.
These are great shooting guns out of the box so you donít need to bolt on a lot of new parts to make these better. You will have a great time researching what others/you have done to improve this gun. Nice CZ452ís run $500+.

The bottom picture is of an Anshutz 54 Match. If the shooter does their job, itís in a class by itís self. Guns like the one in picture will run $1500+.






Want a gun that will out shoot most 22lr rifles with decent ammunition and shooter.




If getting up and down helps you physically, shooting prone may offer more benefit to you. My suggestion is that you shouldnít underestimate the challenges of bench rest shooting. CZ 452ís and Anshutz 54ís win a lot of them every year. A well tuned $500 gun can/does beat a $4500 gun once in a while.



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Were I you DG I'd get a CZ 457-22 MTR for the action and possibly the stock albeit there are others stocked, Lothar Walther barrel is hot, stock of your choice if nothing factory grabs you, and a trigger if the 457 OEM one doesn't do it for you. The MTR and possibly a couple others have a match chamber which may also provide you a satisfactory barrel. I like my AT-ONE(less than 1/2" @50yds) but its almost 9# scoped. Fully adjustable trigger's not bad either for my boorish tastes.
Whatever you might do its not complicated but will probably run around a grand or 1500+ depending. You'll get lotsa help in the CZ Forum cause they LOVE to give advice and advice how to spend other's $$. A thought + 2Ę

Or an Annie if you can't wait to see how the Vudoo shakes out in the BR spring matches.
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I don't know if you are set on the Glock or 380 but have you tried the CZ based pistols like the 9mm Nato approved CZ P01. I prefer the hammer fired pistols with the decocker over a shorter glock style trigger for defense and the CZs are super reliable, feel great and shoot great. A lot of us are addicted to CZ. I also have Ruger products including the Ruger American Rimfire. CZ also has the CZ 75 based 22 Factory Conversion available on the market for practice with your pistol that will work on the P01. Don't think there is anything like that for a Glock 42. As far as bench shooter, You really need to play with 22 LR first. I suggest you buy a 457 Pro Varmint or At 1. You can work your way up from plinking ammo to higher priced match ammo and work out from 50 yards to 200 yards. A CZ varmint model 22 should be able to get down to 1/2 inch at 50 with good ammo. If you want a semi auto you can build up a 10/22 but the reliability will be less than a stock semi auto.
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Since you're just starting out, I'd advise against investing a lot in a rifle just yet. Might be best to find someone (or a group) who will let you shoot one or two of their guns on a few outings first.

I've taken guys out shooting over the years who were very enthusiastic about it, bought a gun, shot it a couple of times, then found that shooting wasn't for them for whatever reason.

Also, be aware that you're probably going to want a lot of goodies (scope, rangefinder, spotting scope, chronograph, for example) that may end up costing more than the rifle. Good ammo isn't always cheap and readily available. Have to pay to use some ranges, and burn gas to get there.

Nowadays I first tell new shooters the above. If they're still intent on buying a gun, I try to steer them toward something affordable. For a .22 rifle, that's usually either a 10/22 or Marlin 795. They can move up to a better gun later if they want.

I find that getting 'em hooked on the fun of a semi-auto often keeps them interested.
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