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Old 09-25-2021, 07:45 AM
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I was wondering how does the 1710 / 1712 bolt actions feel, compared to the 54 Match actions?

I mean in lock up and cycling?
As smooth as the 54?

Or "looser" toleranses due to being a hunting rifle?
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Old 09-25-2021, 07:57 AM
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It feels the same, aside from the resistance of engaging a round from the magazine.
I think most of us insert the cartridge into the chamber before closing the bolt on a Match gun.
The chamber is usually a little tighter on a Match gun, and of course, the trigger feels different.
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Old 09-25-2021, 10:26 AM
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I don't have any Match 54's to compare it to, but my 1710 sure makes the CZ's I sold to pay for it feel like crap.
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Old 09-25-2021, 05:04 PM
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IMO the biggest difference is the triggers available. The sporter can be as accurate as the Match rifle...Tom
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Old 09-27-2021, 08:57 PM
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According to champions choice the actions are the same. The 1710 and 1712 both employ the 54 match action, but with sporter weight barrels and stock configurations. They were built to fill a niche market, the metallic silhouette shooters wanted a target rifle that met the hunting rifle guidelines, hence the 1710 and 1712.
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Old 09-28-2021, 08:34 PM
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I was wondering how does the 1710 / 1712 bolt actions feel, compared to the 54 Match actions?

I mean in lock up and cycling?
As smooth as the 54?

Or "looser" toleranses due to being a hunting rifle?
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According to champions choice the actions are the same. The 1710 and 1712 both employ the 54 match action, but with sporter weight barrels and stock configurations. They were built to fill a niche market, the metallic silhouette shooters wanted a target rifle that met the hunting rifle guidelines, hence the 1710 and 1712.
The question appears to be regarding the sporter 54 action in comparison with the Match 54 single shot action used in the target rifles.

As noted in previous posts, the different rifles will have differences in such areas as chambers and triggers.
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Old 09-28-2021, 09:02 PM
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He specifically stated 1710 and 1712. The chambers are cut into the barrel, so not necessarily a product of the action. However the 1710 and 1712 chambers are cut for optimization with match ammo.
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He specifically stated 1710 and 1712. The chambers are cut into the barrel, so not necessarily a product of the action. However the 1710 and 1712 chambers are cut for optimization with match ammo.
Are you sure they, Anschutz uses the same reamer they use for the match series barrels.

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Old 09-29-2021, 07:45 AM
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He specifically stated 1710 and 1712. The chambers are cut into the barrel, so not necessarily a product of the action. However the 1710 and 1712 chambers are cut for optimization with match ammo.
Not to put words in the OP's mouth, it can be noted he said "I was wondering how does the 1710 / 1712 bolt actions feel, compared to the 54 Match actions?"

In other words, the 1710/1712 compared to something else, the Match 54.

While he may have been referring to older 142x rifles, the Match 54 usually refers to the single shot.

He also asked if the 1710/1712 might "[have] "looser" toleranses due to being a hunting rifle?" Since the older 142x rifles are also sporter or hunting rifles, it seems less likely he was looking for a comparison of newer and older Anschutz 54 sporters.

Perhaps the OP will clear this up to your satisfaction.

Regarding the chambers, Anschutz sporter models, like Match models, conform to CIP specifications. While Anschutz doesn't publish its chamber dimensions, it's generally believed that the Match models have chambers closer to the minimum sizes specified by CIP than the sporter models. That is to say, Anschutz Match 54 single shot models likely have chambers with tighter dimensions than 54 sporter repeaters.
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OP here:
I have an 1827B or Biathlon rifle.
Called 54.18 in the US.

This has the 54 match action, fitted with magazine.


I was wondering if the 1710/1712 action feels the same. Like bolt manipulation, slickness etc etc..
Or looser, because they are "hunting rifles".

Hope thats clearer?

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As a subjective point of reference, just in the past month or two, I have purchased and sold (for a friend) four Anschutz rifles. Two were Hornets, which had a very different feel, but one was the 54:18 MS with the true 54 Match single-shot action, and one was a similar-era 1710. I didn't bother measuring any of the tolerances, but I would say the bolt lift and travel felt exactly the same on the two .22s, with equal feel of precision. The bolt knob on the 54:18 was larger, so there was a slightly different feel in the hand, but that was it.
Your (OP's) rifle is probably the hybrid known here as the 54:18 MSR, which has the 54 Match receiver (with the 5018 trigger) modified for a magazine but using the same repeater bolt body with the C-clip-energized extractors of the 1710/1712 actions. Iíve owned two of those and could feel no difference in the perceived precision.
Regarding the above comment about the 1710 and 54 Match being the same actions, I must beg to differ. Obviously, the latter is a single shot, but, while there are some interchangeable parts in the two actions, the 54 Match receiver has a different tang shape, different spacing of the action bolts -- with larger diameter bolts -- different trigger mounting configuration and therefore different safeties, different recoil lug location and configuration, and the bolt body is different. So, clearly the same lineage but very different actions.

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OP here:
I have an 1827B or Biathlon rifle.
Called 54.18 in the US.

This has the 54 match action, fitted with magazine.


I was wondering if the 1710/1712 action feels the same. Like bolt manipulation, slickness etc etc..
Or looser, because they are "hunting rifles".

Hope thats clearer?
The 1827B is a biathlon rifle, but the 54.18 is not. It's very different looking and a silhouette rifle, available as a single shot (54.18 MS) and as a repeater (54.18 MSR)

Anschutz makes its actions to very close tolerances. It's unlikely that a 1710/1712 would feel "looser" in comparison to a Match 54 action. That's been my experience with two different 1710 rifles and many Match 54's.
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Old 09-29-2021, 06:51 PM
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Here is a photo of it.. 54.18MSR I think you would call it yes.
Well, the action and barrel... the stock is obviously different.

I have two McMillan MSR stocks though.
One for the 54.18 and one for a 1710.

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The 54.18 MSR silhouette repeater is shown below. Some apparently had a thumbhole stock. The barreled action may very well be similar or the same as on the 1827B (except of course for the snow shield/cover at the muzzle of the biathlon rifle.) I've read that barrel lengths on the silhouette rifles may have changed at times.

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Old 09-29-2021, 10:03 PM
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Nice 54.18.
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