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Does the 1411 have the usual 11mm receiver rail?

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Old 02-22-2021, 12:56 PM
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Does the 1411 have the usual 11mm receiver rail?

Doug
Unless modified, yes it should. A 1411 made before 1964 would have been grooved behind the loading port only.
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Old 02-22-2021, 01:23 PM
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Thanks, Tim. The pics I have show a rail fore and aft of the loading port, but wondered (hoped) it was a standard 11mm rail. Do you know whether the receiver is also D&Ted to accept scope rings like the Talleys?

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d+t'd?

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I don't believe so. It would have blocks on the barrel. No receiver holes.
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Yep, has blocks on the barrel. So if I want to mount a scope, it'll be with 11mm scope rings.

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Yep, has blocks on the barrel. So if I want to mount a scope, it'll be with 11mm scope rings.

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Yes.
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Old 02-22-2021, 07:35 PM
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Doug:

You are probably already familiar with these, but, just in case . . .

o JP Custom Product Delrin 11mm rail adapters &
o Burris Signature Zee (Weaver-style) rings (w/ offset plastic inserts).

I haven't found a truly symmetrically aligned clamping mechanism on a ring that fits completely flush into both the
left and right grooves with the scope still centered.

They just always seem to be cocked to one side or the other and one side always
has a poorly angled / aligned bite into the grove.

Hate that.

Not the most glamorous setup but they work well once you tighten them down
enough that they stop slipping --- usually a three step process.

(or follow the directions and de-grease them first. )

Some people don't care for the looks of the Burris rings (although not BKL ugly),
and some don't like the slipping until 'tight' thing going on --- which I can see.

Everybody has their pet peeves!

Don

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Old 02-22-2021, 08:33 PM
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Hey, Don,

Yes, I use those J&P adapters on several of my rifles. And as you say, you just need to make sure they are TIGHT. And Burris Signature ZEEs are my favorite scope rings for several reasons. Not the most elegant, but much better than many others. I think I may already have a set of the adapters for the Anschutz 11mm.

Thanks.

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Old 02-23-2021, 03:01 AM
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Thanks, Tim. The pics I have show a rail fore and aft of the loading port, but wondered (hoped) it was a standard 11mm rail. Do you know whether the receiver is also D&Ted to accept scope rings like the Talleys?

Doug
Don't mention it. I think your question about rings has been answered, I add that Anschutz didn't d&t the receiver, because at the time that didn't expect anyone to put a 'scope there. Target scopes in the 1960s and '70s were long and barrel mounted.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but they didn't D&T any of their match rifles, including 19XX and 20XX...Tom
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That is correct, Thomasconnor. Match rifles, including the 54.30, don't have drilled and taped holes for scope bases.
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That is correct, Thomasconnor. Match rifles, including the 54.30, don't have drilled and taped holes for scope bases.
Indeed, although I think Thomas's point was more that Anschutz still don't d&t Match rifle receivers, even after suitable receiver-mounted 'scopes became available. That's for good reasons too: primarily, the core function of almost all the Match rifles is position shooting, and using telescopic sights is mostly (but not entirely) a US thing. Secondly, for position shooting rings screwed onto the action would offer much less flexibility in terms of eye relief than the dovetail, which itself is often found lacking in length for Prone.

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Doug,
I use Talley steel rings on my 1411. Very elegant and fits directly the 11 mm dovetail . Also very solid.
Here is a pic.
Thanks
Gilbert


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Indeed, although I think Thomas's point was more that Anschutz still don't d&t Match rifle receivers, even after suitable receiver-mounted 'scopes became available. That's for good reasons too: primarily, the core function of almost all the Match rifles is position shooting, and using telescopic sights is mostly (but not entirely) a US thing. Secondly, for position shooting rings screwed onto the action would offer much less flexibility in terms of eye relief than the dovetail, which itself is often found lacking in length for Prone.
You're observations about the basic purpose of the match rifles is spot on, of course. But I have to admit to being confused about the first point that Anschutz "still" don't d&t match receivers. Thomas said Anschutz "didn't D&T any of their match rifles, including 19XX and 20XX" and I confirmed that they don't have drilled and tapped holes for scope bases. They didn't D&T and don't D&T match receivers.

Perhaps it's all semantics, neither here nor there.

Anyway, perhaps someone can address this question. What is the exact size are the dovetail grooves on Match 54 rifles -- the 14xx, 18xx, 19xx, 20xx, and 54.30? (Note that this is not an important question, just one that attracted my curiosity.)

At first glance it may seem like an ill-informed question. Most Anschutz enthusiasts are aware that Anschutz uses 11mm dovetails. It is repeated in Anschutz owners manuals and this image is often included in the manuals.



But Anschutz uses a slightly different size dovetail in the 17xx series rifles and the newer, post-2009 64 action rifles (perhaps also the pre-2009, too).

If these aren't exactly 11mm -- one at 11.26mm and the other 10.9mm -- what's the exact size of the Match 54 dovetails.


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Maybe Tim thinks that Anschutz may have in the past, or yet in the future come under pressure to perform the D&T.

Measuring by calipers, a 1979 1407, a 1980 1413 and a 2002 1710 all show c.11.18mm for the dovetail width given above. The bottom of the grooves in the target rifles is c.9.96mm; the 1710 is marginally fatter at c.10.03mm.
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