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Old 04-05-2020, 08:45 AM
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My theory on why so many company’s make 36 grain bulk ammo is because after every 9 bullets made the company gets the tenth one free compared to a 40 grain. Anyone else have any thoughts at why most bulk is 36?
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Old 04-05-2020, 09:04 AM
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Could be. I just thought most bulk are hollow point and they kept the weight a even number with the material removed. What about 38grn bulk HPs? They end up with enough to make a 20grn bullet.
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You think 4grPb = production costs? Nah.

But if you reduce the bullet weight you reduce powder charge to obtain a given velocity.
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More likely that a standard shape of 22lr when given an effective hollow point ends up right around 36 grains, with out it's 40.
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Old 04-05-2020, 04:51 PM
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If you take the minuscule savings of 4 grains of lead per bullet and multiply by billions of rounds made, I imagine the savings is many thousands of dollars.
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Old 04-05-2020, 05:49 PM
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Think about it that would be 50 rounds made from the material savings for every 500 rounds! Am I right or am I doing my math wrong?
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Old 04-05-2020, 06:16 PM
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That may be part of it since penny pinching is always a bean counters rule but if you compare a copper washed 36 vs a lead 40 grain I'd say cost per bullet is pretty much a wash. It may be other costs savings are found like transportation or more likely so they can give you 550 rounds instead of 500 and sell them cheaper in loose rounds. I think we can speculate but all I care about his how a round shoots. The Federal 550 pack for awhile was about as good as you could get for bulk shooting ammo and was reliable. Then there seemed to be an increase in price and a decline in quality. Anymore I would rather buy foreign ammo at equal or cheaper prices to domestic for better shooting ammo. American makers really should stop playing games with price and start focusing on quality again. I think the ammo quality started to decline right around the time we started to see milk carton deals for 22 ammo.
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My theory on why so many company’s make 36 grain bulk ammo is because after every 9 bullets made the company gets the tenth one free compared to a 40 grain. Anyone else have any thoughts at why most bulk is 36?
I am going to stir the pot here since this quarantine thing is hampering my shooting sessions. Then why not 35 or 34 grains?
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Old 04-05-2020, 06:36 PM
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It's a vast left wing conspiracy to deny us full power .22LR rounds. Litle by little, the lead will be reduced until there is no bullet in the cartridge.
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My guess is equipment maintenance and employee costs exceed raw material.
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Anyone aware of the consistency of bullet weigh has been tested? It would require pulling at least two boxed of 50 down to get a somewhat statistically valid sample.

Is 39 really 30 and is 40 really 40. Use of a scientific scales would be needed.
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Think about it that would be 50 rounds made from the material savings for every 500 rounds! Am I right or am I doing my math wrong?
You're correct, 50 rounds for every 500. @ 40 grain per round. @ 36 grain per round they can make 55 and 1/2 rounds for every 500 produced.

Eley somewhat recently reduced their subsonic hollow point bullet weights from 40 to 38 grain? Wonder why?

Their HVHP's are also 38 grain. Had these also been 40 grain earlier?

Most if not all of American made HP 22's had always been 36 grain. I guess it was mostly the cavity size. Although 40 grain has been said to be the best in a 1:16 twist bore. This is why I suspected the Europeans had/have "pretty much" stayed with 40 grain HP's.
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I am going to stir the pot here since this quarantine thing is hampering my shooting sessions. Then why not 35 or 34 grains?
Possibly going under 36 grains gets iffy for accuracy because of the cavity size involved if the manufacture wants to keep the same bullet length? A large out of round cavity I'd think would show up as bullet spiraling due from centrifugal imbalance.
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My theory on why so many company’s make 36 grain bulk ammo is because after every 9 bullets made the company gets the tenth one free compared to a 40 grain. Anyone else have any thoughts at why most bulk is 36?
Tinfoil?
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You're correct, 50 rounds for every 500. @ 40 grain per round. @ 36 grain per round they can make 55 and 1/2 rounds for every 500 produced.

Eley somewhat recently reduced their subsonic hollow point bullet weights from 40 to 38 grain? Wonder why?

Their HVHP's are also 38 grain. Had these also been 40 grain earlier?

Most if not all of American made HP 22's had always been 36 grain. I guess it was mostly the cavity size. Although 40 grain has been said to be the best in a 1:16 twist bore. This is why I suspected the Europeans had/have "pretty much" stayed with 40 grain HP's.
According to an email to eley questioning this very same thing ..they said its the exact same round as the 40 round they just had a different way of weighing it..

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