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Old 05-31-2020, 07:42 PM
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Hello All: Purchased an action years ago missing the breech block. Dug it out today and find it's not a Cadet action I'm familiar with. Instead of the trigger guard shaped like an "L" with all the parts dropping out of the action with removal of the "L", this action has no "L" shaped piece, and the breech block pivots on a pin that goes through the action. It is the same size as a BSA cadet action and in fact a BSA cadet barrel threads right into it. What do I have here? Thanks, Dan
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Old 06-01-2020, 01:12 AM
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Smile Can I play , too ?

SWAG : Greener ? Photos , markings ? We need more clues !
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Old 06-01-2020, 09:50 AM
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That sounds like an early Greener non Francotte action ie. The action is mounted in the Frame as a Martini Henry and not in a single removable section. As already stated Photos.

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Old 06-01-2020, 07:25 PM
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could be a Belgian henri pieper, pics would help.
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Old 06-02-2020, 11:14 AM
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I've got to figure out how to post pics, but I can add some additional info. Looks like it might have been reblued, so there are no markings on the side of the action. The breech face is marked "380" and in the breech recess under the barrel is marked "WJG". The lever recess is stamped with some unidentifiable figure. There is a teardrop cocking indicator on the right side of the action. Thanks, Dan
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:38 AM
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I suspect the "380" is the designed projectile weight in grains. "Cadet Rifles" tend to refer to 310 calibre rifles issued to Cadets, aged 14 to 18, (pre Army training) up to World War Two here in Australia. The Cadets have no tear drop indicator. Cadet training was for two years carried out at secondary schools and were later issued the same rifles their big brothers carried in Vietnam. Not much help save for the projectile weight theory.
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I'd guess the 380 refers to the chambering, which, if I'm not mistaken is the equivalent of the 38 S&W.


It sounds more like a rook rifle than a military trainer, but without pictures or more detailed description, we'll all just be guessing. WWG would make it a Greener, but WJG? I have no idea what or where "the breech recess under the barrel" (nor "L shaped piece" for that matter) means.
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:25 AM
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Again Photos required. The 'L' shaped piece being referred to would be the removable action block from a Francotte design the poster has as I have said a pre Francotte Action rifle. .380 could be .380 Rook?? Nothing else we can say without further info /Pics.
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:54 PM
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I have a Westley Richards Cadet in 310 Cadet that is BSA Cadet sized, but is built like a smaller version of a Martini Henry, which disassembles in the way you describe.

I bought it and a single shot bolt action Webley 410 years ago when a big load of guns came to the US after the UK changed their gun laws. I like to refer to it as the day I bought a Westley Richards rifle and a Webley 410 shotgun for $450.

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I'd guess the 380 refers to the chambering, which, if I'm not mistaken is the equivalent of the 38 S&W.

I agree that chambering is more likely than projectile weight. It's probably 380 Long, AKA 380 Rook, which is similar to 38 Long Colt.
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Old 06-03-2020, 05:40 PM
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310 Cadet?

Thanks to all the replies, I've determined the Martini is a Westley Richards. Don't believe I'd ever find a breech block, so I guess I better head to the milling machine. Best, Dan
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Old 06-05-2020, 01:12 PM
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Thanks to all the replies, I've determined the Martini is a Westley Richards. Don't believe I'd ever find a breech block, so I guess I better head to the milling machine. Best, Dan

As luck would have it, I have the block out of my Westley at the moment. Would photos or measurements help?
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Old 06-05-2020, 05:22 PM
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Old 06-06-2020, 07:35 AM
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If you will post up pictures of what you have, I will dig out my Rook rifle books and see if I can identify it for you.

If you don't know how upload pictures, send me an email at [email protected] and attach the pictures to that. Make sure you put martini pictures in subject line.

I will post your pictures and research.

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