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Old 06-14-2010, 10:42 AM
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I started this thread in the hope that with the G2 of the members here, if we got all our marbles in one bag, that we might have a better chance of figuring all this out.
It seems to be working...we have had several revelations so far .
Keep the ideas coming .
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:17 AM
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I started this thread in the hope that with the G2 of the members here, if we got all our marbles in one bag, that we might have a better chance of figuring all this out.
It seems to be working...we have had several revelations so far .
Keep the ideas coming .
I have no G2!

So we have Stevens/Springfield manufacturing the 87 series at Chicopee Falls from about 1938 thru 1960 when they moved all manufacturing and administrative functions to Westfield Mass. And.....

The Savage model 6 made between about 1938 to 1946 at Utica when they moved to Chicopee Falls and restarted production in 1947. Then everything moved to Westfield in 1960.

Soooo my Savage model 6D rollmarked Chicopee Falls was made prior to 1960 and my Savage model 6DL marked Westfield was made in 1960 or later.

Is this your point Pick? I'm confused, Savage rifles were not made in Chicopee Falls prior to 1946?????
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Old 06-14-2010, 12:03 PM
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I have no G2!

So we have Stevens/Springfield manufacturing the 87 series at Chicopee Falls from about 1938 thru 1960 when they moved all manufacturing and administrative functions to Westfield Mass. And.....

The Savage model 6 made between about 1938 to 1946 at Utica when they moved to Chicopee Falls and restarted production in 1947. Then everything moved to Westfield in 1960.

Soooo my Savage model 6D rollmarked Chicopee Falls was made prior to 1960 and my Savage model 6DL marked Westfield was made in 1960 or later.

Is this your point Pick? I'm confused, Savage rifles were not made in Chicopee Falls prior to 1946?????


Bob, that's basically it, but nothing is concrete here for sure, still an evolving theory.....

....but based on what I've seen on the guns posted here, plus Kaintuck's earlier observations, plus my own, it appears that Chicopee Falls manufactured 87's from '38 - '60. At one time I thought Utica produced all the 6's and all the 87's from '38 to '46, then Chicopee Falls produced all of both models from '47 to '60. But the evidence appears to indicate otherwise.

There had been discussion that if a gun said "Chicopee Falls" on the barrel, then it was a post '46 gun, but I am now fairly convinced that this is not true, at least for the Springfield/Stevens branded guns. Based on the patent information it could have been made prior to '46.

Now, what I am less certain of is what you were asking - were all the Savage 6's prior to '47 produced only in Utica, and none in Chicopee Falls? And conversely were all the Springfield/Stevens 87's from '38-'46 produced only in Chicopee Falls, and none in Utica?

Early evidence suggests this MIGHT be the case, because unless I missed it:

- I have not seen a Springfield/Stevens branded gun with Utica on the barrel.....

- And, I have not seen a 1 patent Savage branded gun with Chicopee Falls on the barrel......(which would almost certainly be a pre Utica plant closure gun)

Anyone have an example of either of the above?

But there's a lot of evidence to come in yet, so this house of cards could be dashed at any point......

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Old 06-15-2010, 06:39 PM
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Newest arrival ("Serialized junk") I will also post it with my others on page one and later delete this after everyone takes a look.

Manufacturer: Stevens 87A (Savage Arms Cooperation)
Factory: Chicopee Falls Mass
Patents: 2094577, 224758, 2223093, RE22585, 2271576 (Upside down)
Receiver and sights: Front sight is a replacement (looks Remingtonish), Rear sight Marbles buckhorn replacement dovetail screwed. Receiver not grooved, two maybe factory drilled for 10/32, also drilled for a peep sight. Eight gill openings left, one right. Large relieved bolt handle.
Barrel: 24 roll marked Stevens Savage Arms Corporation Chicopee Falls, Mass 87A. .22 short, long or long rifle. Long rifle only as automatic.
Trigger mechanism: Long
Lifter: Solid w/coiled spring
Stock: N/A (came without one)
Trigger guard:
Magazine: Tube fed.
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Old 06-15-2010, 07:42 PM
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Thanks.
Now we need ScrapBrass, ShootsAtSky & Ring3 to step up.
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Old 06-16-2010, 06:29 PM
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Manufacturer: Ranger 101.16 (pre-war)

Factory: unknown

Barrel: 2094577 and 2223093
".22 Short Long Or Long Rifle Long Rifle Only As Automatic" 24 inch

Bumper: spring loaded

Receiver & Sights: Standard, d&t'd for side mount scope (2 holes) 1 gill on right, 8 gills on left. Flat metal plug.

Charging handle: large grooved

Trigger Mechanism: long

Trigger guard: plastic

Magazine: tube, cartridge shape port

Stock: Don't know what kind of wood it is. You tell me:
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:11 PM
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Tech,
Thanks for the info. I'll be putting it into the spreadsheet shortly.
There are still a few regulars that I'm sure will be posting soon.
Plus we will probably be getting some drive-bys from time to time.

Justibm,
Thank you for posting & welcome to the madness.
Your stock is most likely stained birch. Most of the store brands so far have been birch.

Edit to ask questions for clarification:
Tech, Does your Tenite stock have two(2) screws holding the action in the stock?

Justibm, If you have had the action out fo the stock, does yours have a wire cartridge lifter (#33 in both pics) with a wierd looking spring (1st pic), or a solid lifter with a coiled spring around the pivot pin (2nd pic)?




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Old 06-16-2010, 09:43 PM
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Stevens 87B

New addition to my family
Manufacturer: Stevens Model 87B
Factory: Chicopee Falls
Barrel:Patents: 2094577,2224758,2223093,RE22585,2271576.
".22 Short Long Or Long Rifle, Long Rifle Only As Automatic"
24" barrel
Bumper: spring type
Receiver & Sights: Stand post (gold bead) & rear sight.
Solid receiver. D&T'd for scope (4 holes), not grooved.
Flat plug, steel.
8 gills on left, one on right.
Charging Handle: Small Ribbed
Trigger Mechanism: Long
Lifter: Solid. Coil spring.
Stock: Hardwood Buckhorn.
Trigger Guard: Formed Steel.
Mag: Tube fed, cartridge shaped port
Added Weaver N2 side mount and Weaver G4 scope.
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Old 06-16-2010, 10:04 PM
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COOL!! A Buckhorn. Nice looking rifle.
Ya done good Fixer.
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Old 06-16-2010, 10:26 PM
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....sounds like you use to live in Fresno
No, but it's getting almost as bad here.
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Yup...it has two screws holding the action in the stock.
I kinda figured as much from rsv1mos' posts...I just wanted to confirm.

Thanks again.
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:21 AM
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Justibm, If you have had the action out fo the stock, does yours have a wire cartridge lifter (#33 in both pics) with a wierd looking spring (1st pic), or a solid lifter with a coiled spring around the pivot pin (2nd pic)?
It has a solid lifter with the spring around the pivot pin.
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Old 06-17-2010, 07:54 AM
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It has a solid lifter with the spring around the pivot pin.
Nice looking rifle too, looks new.
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Old 06-17-2010, 10:59 AM
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Thanks.
Now we need ScrapBrass, ShootsAtSky & Ring3 to step up.
Sorry, been doing some work on a customers site and didn't think it'd be a good idea to use their lan for access. The hotel blocked RFC (and lots of other stuff as well). Surprisingly the airport WiFi didn't block, but I didn't think it would be a great idea to browse gun pictures sitting in the Phoenix airport Starbucks.

Will put something up today and probably add pictures later.

Bob
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:09 AM
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Hi Hud105,

I made a minor revision to post #51 regarding the trigger assembly to my 87A. It's a Looooooong trigger assembly and not a short one as I had originally posted. Misunderstood the sub-topic and thought it was referring to the trigger itself versus the entire assembly. Thanks to the watchful eyes of rsv1mos, we've averted a boo-boo to the data base.

Thanks Technical Dir.
Are you saying I'm a big boo-boo....

I'm just trying to prove to Hud that someone is actually reading these summaries.

Kidding aside, these responses are informative and valuable. I know they have helped many of us to better understand these innovative actions and the rifles they sit in. There was a time when I wouldn't even consider a "department store rifle", now I seek them out.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:20 AM
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Thanks to all of you that have posted.
We have twenty two examples listed so far.
There are some interesting patterns developing.
Don't know if I can post the spreadsheet here, but I may try to post a summary this week-end.
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