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Old 06-12-2010, 06:04 PM
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In an attempt to sort out and consolidate the various features found on these rifles & discussed in several threads (around a dozen threads with over 500 posts), it would be helpful if those willing to participate would post the following information about their rifles:

Manufacturer: Savage, Stevens, Springfield & Model No., or store brand (name & store model No.)

Factory: Utica, Chicopee Falls or Westfield if present.



Barrel:Patent numbers on the barrrel, not the number of patents.









"Cal. 22 Long Rifle Smokeless Greased Only" or ".22 Short Long Or Long Rifle Long Rifle Only As Automatic"
Barrel length





Bumper(top of receiver): Solid, spring loaded or "V' shaped







Receiver & Sights:
Standard post & rear sights, fold down rear, ramp or globe front.
Unholey reciever, d&t'd for peep only, d&t'd for side mount scope (2 or 4 holes), d&t'd for both peep & scope, grooved for tipoff.
Flat or streamlined receiver plug. Metal or plastic.
Gills (openings) or not & number of on left side.

Charging Handle: Large grooved, large flat, small ribbed, or other.





Trigger Mechanism: Long or short.



Lifter: Wire or solid. "R" spring or coil spring.





Stock: Walnut or hardwood (Birch or Beech), "Buckhorn" (black tip), checkered grip or plain, Tenite.

Trigger Guard: Cast, formed steel, plastic. Inletted or recessed into stock or not.



Magazine: Tube or magazine.
If tube: Oval loading port or cartridge shaped.



Here are date codes from 1949 thru 1968.

A=49, B=50, C=51, D=52, E=53, F=54, G=55, H=56, I=57, J=58, K=59, L=60

M=61, N=62, P=63, R=64, S=65, T=66, U=67, V=68, (W=69, X=70)

The alpha code should be preceeded one or two numbers enclosed in a circle on top of the barrel, between the rear sight & the receiver, as in this pic of a 6D...




By the date code G, this should be a 1955 rifle.
Disregard the large O since O & Q were not used in the codes.

Thanks to all the members who have contributed the above pictures...this was a team effort!

List multiple rifles separately.

Mine is:
Manufacturer: Springfield Model 87A
Factory: Chicopee Falls
Barrel:Patents: 2094577, 2224758,2223093,RE22585,2271576.
".22 Short Long Or Long Rifle, Long Rifle Only As Automatic"
24" barrel
Bumper: spring type

Receiver & Sights: Standard post & rear sights.
Solid receiver. Not d&t'd for peep or scope, not grooved.
Flat plug, steel.
8 gills on left, one on right.
Charging Handle:Large grooved
Trigger Mechanism: Long
Lifter: Solid. Coil spring.
Stock: Walnut. Checkered grip.
Trigger Guard: Cast. Inletted.
Mag: Tube fed, cartridge shaped port




Feel free to list any variations not mentioned or post pics of anything you may be unsure of.

Thanks, Hud

ShootsAtSky has done us all a great favor by putting the database spreadsheet in a format that can be accessed from this thread through this link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz1...it?usp=sharing

8/1/12 Spreadsheet updated to include new entries & hyperlinks to patents & members orignial posts.

The spreadsheet isn't locked, so people can make changes to their copy if they save it to their pc, but they can't post it back up to the link.

Anyone with new information needs to post at the end of this thread & the DB will be updated from there to the link .

Thanks again Bob



This post contains somewhat of a chronology & links to all the patents found on these guns:
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...8&postcount=74


The member's guns here are listed in their current configuration as posted and may not reflect original factory configuration.

Last edited by Sophia; 11-26-2013 at 04:56 PM. Reason: Add pics for comparison
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Old 06-12-2010, 07:09 PM
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Manufacturer: Ranger 101.16
Factory: Unknown
Patents: 2094577 plus "Others Pending"
Barrel: 24” marked “Cal.22 long rifle smokeless greased only”
Receiver & Sights: Gold bead-tipped front and stamped metal rear. Ungrooved, D&T (2 10-32 holes approx. 2 5/16" on center), flat plug, 8 gills on left, 1 on right
Charging Handle: Flat, 3/4" diameter
Trigger Mechanism: Long
Lifter: Solid with coil spring
Stock: Birch with creek swell
Trigger Guard: Plastic, inletted
Mag: Tube

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Old 06-12-2010, 09:37 PM
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Don't mention a number for patents - list the actual patent nunbers.
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Old 06-12-2010, 09:50 PM
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Don't mention a number for patents - list the actual patent nunbers.
Thanks OGB, I fixed it.
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Old 06-12-2010, 11:03 PM
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Fixed.
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Old 06-12-2010, 11:38 PM
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Old 06-13-2010, 11:05 AM
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Manufacturer: Stevens for Sears (Ranger model 101.13)
Factory: Unmarked but probably Chicopee Falls
Patents: 2094577 Others pending.
Receiver & Sights: Standard post & rear sights. Solid receiver factory? D&T for a scope, not grooved. Flat plug. No gills. Unspringed block buffer.
Barrel: 24” roll marked “Cal.22 long rifle smokeless greased.”
Charging Handle: Large flat not grooved
Trigger Mechanism: Short
Lifter: Wire, “R” lifter spring, stepped pivot pin.
Stock: Probably birch (partzer came without a stock)
Trigger Guard: Probably formed not cast steel.
Magazine: Tube fed

Manufacturer: Stevens for Wards (Western Field model 59)
Factory: Unmarked but probably Chicopee Falls
Patents: 2094577 Others pending
Receiver and sights: Standard post & rear sights. Solid receiver aftermarket D&T for a scope, not grooved, Flat plug, 7 gills on left side, none on right.
Barrel: 24” roll marked “Cal .22 long rifle smokeless greased."
Charging handle: Probably (partzer) large grooved.
Trigger mechanism: Short
Lifter: Wire “R” lifter spring, probably stepped pivot pin.
Stock: Birch
Trigger guard: Formed steel trigger guard, stock not inletted for it.
Mag.: Tube fed.

Manufacturer: Stevens model 87B
Factory: Savage Arms Corporation, Chicopee Falls, Mass. USA. Roll marked .22 Short, Long or Long Rifle (No “Greaseless” notation)
Patents: 2094577, 2224758, 2223093, RE22585, 2271576
Receiver and sights: Standard early post and rear sights. Solid receiver D&T for both a peep sight and a scope. 8 gills on right side one on left. Flat plug.
Barrel: 24” Not roll marked for ammunition other than in the manufacturers roll mark.
Charging handle: Second type ” ribbed.
Trigger mechanism: Short.
Lifter: Solid w/coiled wire.
Stock: Birch.
Trigger guard: Formed steel recessed into stock.
Magazine: Tube fed.

Picture of model 6D and 6DL:


Manufacturer : Savage model 6D
Factory: Savage Arms Corporation, Chicopee Falls Mass. .22 short, long or long rifle. Model 6 Deluxe.
Patents: 2094577, 224758, 2223093, RE22585, 2271576
Receiver and sights: Deluxe front copper sight, standard rear sight. Receiver grooved for a scope, not drilled and tapped. Flat plug. 8 gills left, one right. Two standard single extractors.
Barrel: 24 inch. “Only long rifle as automatic”.
Charging handle: Second type ” ribbed.
Trigger mechanism: Long
Lifter: Solid w/coiled wire spring.
Stock: Walnut Monte Carlo
Trigger guard: Cast aluminum recessed into stock.
Magazine: Tube fed,

Manufacturer: Savage Arms Company model 6DL
Factory: Westfield Mass. .22 short, long or long rifle.
Patents: None listed
Receiver and sights. Deluxe front and rear sights. Receiver steel anodized aluminum color grooved for a scope. Not D&T’d. Two gills on the right one on the left. Plastic “streamlined” plug. "Clip over" one piece extractors.
Barrel: 20” w/ chrome front magazine ring.
Charging handle: Second type ” chromed ribbed.
Trigger mechanism: Long , chromed trigger
Lifter: Solid w/ coiled wire spring
Stock: Walnut Monte Carlo W/white separator for butt plate.
Trigger guard: Cast aluminum recessed into stock.
Magazine: Tube fed.

Manufacturer: Stevens 87A (Savage Arms Cooperation)
Factory: Chicopee Falls Mass
Patents: 2094577, 224758, 2223093, RE22585, 2271576 (Upside down)
Receiver and sights: Front sight is a replacement (looks Remingtonish), Rear sight Marbles buckhorn replacement dovetail screwed. Receiver not grooved, two maybe factory drilled for 10/32, also drilled for a peep sight. Eight gill openings left, one right. Large ” relieved bolt handle.
Barrel: 24” roll marked Stevens Savage Arms Corporation Chicopee Falls, Mass 87A. .22 short, long or long rifle. Long rifle only as automatic.
Trigger mechanism: Long
Lifter: Solid w/coiled spring
Stock: N/A (came without one)
Trigger guard: “ “ “
Magazine: Tube fed.

Manufacturer: Stevens or Savage/Western Field model 58
Factory: Probably Chicopee Falls
Patents: 2094577 (Others pending)
Receiver and sights: Standard gold bead front and dovetailed leaf rear (Open sporting)
Barrel: 24 inch, no factory roll mark. CAL 22 LONG RIFLE SMOKLESS GREASED ONLY.
Trigger mechanism: Long
Lifter: None
Stock: Birch w/walnut finish, fluted comb, not checkered.
Trigger guard: Cast aluminum, inletted
Magazine: Clip fed
Note: This is probably a Stevens made model 57. The Savage model 7 (same clip fed action) had a checkered walnut stock.

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Old 06-13-2010, 11:47 AM
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Thanks for getting the ball rolling Bimmer & rsv1mos.
We are going to get some good information out of this .
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Manufacturer: Savage Model 6
Factory: Utica NY, Cal. 22 long rifle smokeless greased only
Patents: 2094577, others pending
Receiver and sights: Fold down rear bead/blade front, D/Ted (two holes), machined and D/ted for the 105 peep, no gills, flat plug
Barrel: 24”
Charging handle: Large disc, machined face, serrated edge
Trigger mechanism: Short.
Lifter: Wire lifter with R spring
Stock: Looks like walnut, checkered grip, fluted, recessed for peep and left side gills
Trigger guard: Flat steel, no recess.
Magazine: Tube fed, oval port.

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Manufacturer: Stevens for Sears (Ranger model 101.11)
Factory: Unmarked
Patents: 2094577 Others Pending.
Receiver & Sights: Standard post & rear sights. D&T for a scope (holes staked), not grooved. Flat plug. No gills.
Bumper: Solid
Barrel: 24” roll marked “Cal.22 long rifle smokeless greased.”
Charging Handle: Large flat not grooved
Trigger Mechanism: Short
Lifter: Wire, Missing “R” lifter spring.
Stock: Walnut with finger grooves in grip and swivel mounts.
Trigger Guard: Formed steel - no inlet.
Magazine: Tube fed with oval loading port.
Proofmarked: 18 in a circle on left rear of barrel, just before receiver.

Manufacturer: Stevens Model 87A
Factory: Savage Arms Corporation, Chicopee Falls, Mass. USA. Roll marked .22 Short, Long or Long Rifle, Long Rifle Only as Automatic (No “Greaseless” notation)
Patents: 2094577, 2224758, 2223093, RE22585, 22771576 (upside down)
Receiver and sights: Standard early post and rear sights. D&T for a peep sight. Has a Weaver N3 mount w/4 screws and a scope. Seven gills on right side one on left. Flat plug.
Bumper: Spring loaded.
Barrel: 24” Not roll marked for ammunition other than in the manufacturers roll mark.
Charging handle: Second type ” ribbed.
Trigger mechanism: Long.
Lifter: Solid w/coiled wire.
Stock: Birch with painted forend cap (Buckhorn).
Trigger guard: Cast (aluminum?) recessed into stock.
Magazine: Tube fed.
Proofmarked: 248 in a circle on left rear of barrel, just before receiver.

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Old 06-13-2010, 01:27 PM
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That is interesting OGb. Our Rangers have no factory markings, while Windustsearch's Savage was built in Uticah. Maybe both of ours were made there, or maybe farmed out to Fulton???
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:41 PM
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No gills on the 6DL?
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:49 PM
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From Sav22s' catalogs, it seems that the factory was offering conversions to the solid lifter fairly early, so it's possible that some early Rangers were made at Utica. ???
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:52 PM
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That is interesting OGb. Our Rangers have no factory markings, while Windustsearch's Savage was built in Uticah. Maybe both of ours were made there, or maybe farmed out to Fulton???
After thinking about it, I changed it to unknown. If it isn't marked, we're just guessing.
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:59 PM
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OldGunbunny,
I'm putting all this into an Excel spreadsheet & I'm listing any non-factory marked as "unknown" until we can sort this out.
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