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Old 09-05-2008, 01:28 AM
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... Check out the starting bid?? Is that the same rifle being discussed here?
Probably a CDNN or Century Arms rifle.
A cleaned-up $300, surplus, club rifle
dressed-up with a $125 ChiCom scope.
Becomes an $1100 collectible target rifle.
I wonder what happened to the rear aperature?
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:49 AM
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Mine has YPA/\ stamped on the reciever. According to the 2003 article, this is likely a URAL, first series. It has all matching numbers...M-1010. I could have sworn that my bolt had 4 lugs though. It is at the gunsmith get drilled and tapped right now, but I will check that out when I get it back. I bought mine from a dealer on here, hags, so I don't know if it came from CDNN or not.

I was thinking about buying a Savage Mark II BTVS, but now I'm think I should buy another old Vostok.
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Old 09-05-2008, 12:41 PM
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I thought you were mistaken by the 4 lugs because the 3 lugs are equilaterally spaced and can easily give the impression there are 4 unless you look closely and count to three!
So davemustaine you have a rifle 90 numbers earlier than mine at M-1100.
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It's hard to believe my $299 rifle with a cheap BSA is going for $1100. Funny thing though is even if someone offered me $1100 I wouldn't sell.
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I'm probably wrong about the lugs. According the the article a couple pages earlier, there were only 500 URAL-1 produced. I wonder if they started with M-1000 as the first number?
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Old 09-05-2008, 12:53 PM
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At a first glance on mine my brain thought 4 until I counted around the circumference to THREEEEEE!
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Mine has the grooved receiver ( front & rear), Heavy 3 lug bolt, right side = YPA/\-2 Pretty sure this is Russian for URAL-2, left side= A-13** (rec/bolt/stock/butt pad all marked with ser. no.), Vostok, Made in USSR. This one was bought from my local dealer last March. Came with a white inventory tag on it from Century Arms. I wonder how many versions there are?





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Old 09-05-2008, 07:14 PM
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I'm probably wrong about the lugs. According the the article a couple pages earlier, there were only 500 URAL-1 produced. I wonder if they started with M-1000 as the first number?
Dave, my "Vostok" Ural, which I believe to be a "1" version, is SN P-947, which I believe puts it in the 50's range. My "Vostok" CM-2 version, is SN K-635, which probably puts it in the late 60's to early 70's, I believe. Maybe we can all put our SN's together, along with the stamped markings, etc...and figure some of the missing links. Just an idea. Also, if there were only 500 of these babies(Ural-1) produced, that makes these rifles VERY rare, especially in original condition, or very close to original condition!!! That is why I have not drilled/tapped, or otherwise altered my two rifles in any way, other than to apply some shellac(original finish)to the stocks. I think you guys should try the original sights with various inserts first, as even with poor eyes, the aperture peep sights on these rifles improve the sight picture tremendously, JMO.
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I don't doubt the Urals were made in low volumes compared to Western commercial guns at the time, but unless production figures can somehow be verified by a credible source, I'd take the "500 of each" with a grain of salt (from my understanding this figure is coming from an older internet post). Also, for us to draw any conclusions based on serial numbers we would need a lot bigger sampling than the handful of posters have provided.
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This is true. But a list of specs and serial numbers on a thread would really interest me!
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:03 PM
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I don't doubt the Urals were made in low volumes compared to Western commercial guns at the time, but unless production figures can somehow be verified by a credible source, I'd take the "500 of each" with a grain of salt (from my understanding this figure is coming from an older internet post). Also, for us to draw any conclusions based on serial numbers we would need a lot bigger sampling than the handful of posters have provided.
My understanding is that these rifles were made explicitly for the Olympic team, and for competition/practice/back-up only. Not for general public/commercial use, or sale. Some time much later, the SM-2/CM-2 rifles were made for commercial consumption. This is my understanding of the "Vostok" Urals, and some of the early "Vostok" CM-2 rifles. I may be mistaken, but believe this to be the case. Limited production, only for the Russian Olympic team, initially in the early years, anyway. These rifles ARE a true piece of history, to behold, collect, and still shoot.
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:21 PM
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I don't doubt they're special, one look at the bolt and it's clear a lot of work went into designing and manufacturing them; the same goes for the trigger. I also don't doubt they're made to higher standards than those of the CM-2 which was apparently produced in greater numbers, possibly after Ural production had ceased (of course, thereís nothing to say they werenít made concurrently). With that said, we have info. on very few specimens, and donít even know if proper manufacturer records were kept, unfortunately.

Itíll be fun noting the differences and peculiarities of all the models here on the site, though. I even recommend setting up a sole picture hosting account and having people email pics to the account holder so that in time the various membersí links donít cease to exist.

Btw, my CM-2 replacement is in but I wonít be able to pick it up Ďtil early next week. The FFL has said it looks nicer than the last one and that the wood appears to be intact; both good things!
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I don't doubt they're special, one look at the bolt and it's clear a lot of work went into designing and manufacturing them; the same goes for the trigger. I also don't doubt they're made to higher standards than those of the CM-2 which was apparently produced in greater numbers, possibly after Ural production had ceased (of course, thereís nothing to say they werenít made concurrently). With that said, we have info. on very few specimens, and donít even know if proper manufacturer records were kept, unfortunately.

Itíll be fun noting the differences and peculiarities of all the models here on the site, though. I even recommend setting up a sole picture hosting account and having people email pics to the account holder so that in time the various membersí links donít cease to exist.

Btw, my CM-2 replacement is in but I wonít be able to pick it up Ďtil early next week. The FFL has said it looks nicer than the last one and that the wood appears to be intact; both good things!
I'll cross my fingers that you get a REAL sweetie. There's info out there on these rifles, we just haven't dug it all up yet. But by posting our SN's, models, stampings, etc... we should be able to get a good idea of how many might have been produced of each type. However, what worries me the most, is the story of the Gentleman from England that has been quoted here on this board on several occasions regarding these rifles, saying that when he gave up his traceable, medal winning, Russian Olympic Ural rifle, it was destroyed as per their laws. However, I do believe he left us a clue with the serial number of the rifle he had. As noted by other members that are active on some of the other boards, such as http://www.gunboards.com/forums/ , that sites such as http://7.62x54r.net/ , and http://www.mosinnagant.net/ are excellent examples of what we might achieve that would help us to shed more light on these very rare specimens of these type of rifles. JMO.
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Yes on a posting site for our USSR CM2/Ural/BK3 whatever rifles. I also second the fact that a lot of work went into the rifle we are discussing. Whether they are indeed rare or not I am still a bit shocked knowing I spent only $299 for what companies like Anschutz and others of the same quality in manufacturing charge today--or have available used.
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