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Old 11-07-2008, 03:33 PM
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I will be taking photos of the stock tomorrow.
When the sunlight is strong, bright and clear.
And, will post them as soon as possible.
These photos of my 2nd carbine
were taken out-of-doors in direct sunlight.

In-order to highlight the shadowy, tiger-stripe watermarks.

The are found all-over the stock.
In the bright sunlight, they stand-out.
Legion Sobol KO-10 Carbine



Above and Below:
The spare ammunition compartment cover
blends-in very well with the shape of the stock.





Above and Below:
Forward of the magazine well, the fore-arm bottom
changes from flat, to a somewhat rounded. tapering, strip.

Similarly, the sides of the fore-arm at the top near the barrel
have a very narrow, flat surface that very gently curves-down
to meet the bottom of the fore-arm.

The sides and bottom of the fore-arm
intersect at a rounded edge.


(Double Click for Slightly Larger Image)



Above and Below:
As the angle of view changes,
the color and/or shade of the Schnabel fore-end tip changes.



Above and Below:
Notice the compound curve of the leading edge of the cheek piece.
Lots of skillful shaping.







The connecting margin between the Schnabel fore-end tip
and the forearm is very thin and clean.
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Old 11-07-2008, 03:51 PM
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More Photos ... 2nd Legion Sobol KO-10 Carbine

Double Click Image for Larger View

Notice the spot on the leading edge of the cheek piece.
Not a Wart ... a pesky fly.



Above and Below:
Notice how the cheek piece blends onto the comb.











Above and Below:
The fore-arm has a slightly curved surface on the bottom and on the sides.
The sides and bottom smoothly taper to meet the Schnabel fore-end tip.

The edges of the fore-arm where the bottom
and sides meet are nicely rounded.

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Old 11-07-2008, 04:12 PM
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Even More Photos ... 2nd Legion Sobol KO-10 Carbine

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Above and Below:
The shape of the checkering pattern on the fore-arm is odd.
I don't get the stylistic statement.

For my small hands, the foward checkering is fully graspable.

While the checkering under the loading/ejection port is reachable
by my first digits of my fingers and thumb.





From this angle the fore-end tip appears a very light shade.
In other images it is darker - depends on the angle of view.
Seemingly made of beech or birch. It is not.
It is, probably, made of some type of walnut like the stock.
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The wood on the second rifle is quite striking, congratulations.

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Old 11-07-2008, 07:10 PM
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Open Sights ... Legion Sobol



Above and Below: Open Sights.
I really dislike open sights - peep or aperture sights are my preference.
However, I think I can live with these sights.
I may, at a later date, install a peep sight on the receiver grooves.
If I can find something that will work.

Notice the tandem front sights - fixed forward blade & adjustable aft post.





The rear sight is regulated to 25 and 75 meters.





Typical Biathlon countersunk muzzle.
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The Warts ... 2nd Legion Sobol KO-10 Carbine

The following photos were taken late in the afternoon.
The sun was not as bright and was casting prominent shadows.


Notice the shadowy tiger-strip watermarks in the wood.



The modest Schnabel fore-end tip is cleanly mated with the forend.







Above and Below: Butt-plate and pistol grip cap.
Very well fitted to the stock and beautifully complimenting one-another.





Above and Below: Warts
Notice the streaks on the wood.
They appear to be stains.

Probably caused by dripped epoxy bedding material
or excessive wood stain.

That had not been properly cleaned-up.
I noticed that a thin margin of wood adjacent to the receiver had a similar discoloration.



Notice the double curve of the leading edge of the cheekpiece - nicely shaped.

Above and Below: Warts
The area of the stock where the receiver is bedded has a rather unusual shape.

The trademark Izhmash styling ... flat stock sides with a flat bottom at the trigger guard.
Joined together with beveled edges and rounded-off at the end - peculiar.

Nothing objectionable ... But, something you get used to.

(Opps, my photography assistant can't seem to stay out of the picture)
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Purposeful IZHMASH Styling: I Have a Theory

Since I first laid eyes on the Biathlon series of rifles
I have wondered why Izhmash engineers designed
such an odd combination of styling lines for the stock.

Especially around the receiver, trigger guard and magazine well areas.

If form follows function ...
then, in the Izhmash mode of thinking ...
purpose projects shape.

The stock geometry generates some features
that tend to guide the shooters fingers
to the magazine well and magazine release lever.








Forward of the magazine well, the fore-arm bottom
becomes less flat, more rounded and tapering.



Similarly, the sides of the fore-arm from the top, near the barrel,
very gently curve-down to meet the underside of the fore-arm.

The sides and bottom of the fore-arm intersect at a rounded edge.



From the forward most point of the magazine well,
moving aft, the curved sides of the fore-arm become angular
and the entire bottom surface of the stock becomes nearly flat.



The intersection of the flat bottom and flat sides
of the stock are beveled surfaces.

Where the rounded-off edges of the fore-arm
transitions to a beveled edge
denotes the most forward portion of the magazine well.


This is coincides with the location of the magazine release lever.
Without thought, your hands will gravitate to this intersection point.

And, your tactile senses will instinctively guide
your finger tips to the magazine release lever.


Surely, this must be the purpose of
the combination of colliding contours.

As you grasp the rifle, your hands will,
naturally, place themselves on the stock.

Then, your fingers will, unconciously, extend
to survey the surrounding features.

It becomes apparent that the shape
of the stock is directing your fingers.


After manipulating the carbine for sometime
I'm convinced these features are a
functional purpose of the unique Izhmash styling lines.
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Spare Magazine Storage



The butt plate and magazine storage cover are very well fitted to the stock.





When the spare magazine storage cover is closed
the latch silently locks in the secured position.



The spare magazines are snuggly held in-place by friction.
They do not drop-out. They must be pulled-out.



The spare magazine storage cover latch is deeply recessed.
Without looking the latch is easy to find.

Moreover, because of the deep recess,
it would be difficult for the latch to open by accident.





The texture, shade and grain of the spare magazine storage cover
blend well with the rest of the stock.



The spare magazine storage area is not as well finished
as the exterior of the spare magazine storage cover.
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I hate you because your SOBOL LEGION
looks much better than my regular SOBOL.

Very nice rifle indeed.
Congratulations.

Looks like it is 2003 year manufacture.
Am I correct?

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Old 11-13-2008, 10:48 AM
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Date of Manufacture

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Looks like it is 2003 year manufacture. Am I correct?
From the best that I can determine,
the date of manufacture is on or about 21 May 2007.
This is based on the test firing for accuracy date.

Packing or pickling date is 07 June 2007.

I can not find any documentation that
specifically states the date of manufacture.
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Your serial number begins with an 03.
Hence I am guessing it was made in 2003.

Many Russian firearm manufacturers use that system.
I am not sure if IZHMASH uses that method.

If so, then IZHMASH produced the rifle in 2003,
but LEGION finished it in 2007
and provided the "passport" dated in 2007.

I could be wrong.
I will try to investigate more
and will let you know if I come up with anything.
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Receiver Marking & Documentation for 2nd Legion Sobol KO-10 Carbine

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... Looks like it is 2003 year manufacture.
Am I correct?
After reviewing all of the documentation ...
The receiver (or barrreled action) was manufactured by Izhmash in 2003.
Proof Test firing occurred in 2007
Accuracy Testing happened on 21 May 2007
The carbine was final inspected by Legion on 07 June 2007.
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... I can not find any documentation that
specifically states the date of manufacture.

Most significant markings are concentrated on the left-side of the receiver.



Deciphering the Receiver Markings



Industry Standards Mark, Caliber, Serial Number and CIP Test Station & Year

Serial Number: A03671197 - Receiver (or barrreled action) Manufactured in 2003
CIP Test Station: Test Site Identification Mark and Year Proof Tested - 2007





The Quality Control Inspectors Approval: The declared date of completed manufacturing
could be reasonably construed as the date of final inspection.



Test Targets: Average of three, five-shot groups at 50 meters - 13.3mm (.524 inches)
1st Group: 16.5mm (.650 in) 2nd Group: 8.5mm (.335 in) 3rd Group: 15mm (.591 in)



Certification of Long-Term Storage Preparation
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After reviewing all of the documentation ...
The receiver (or barrreled action) was manufactured by Izhmash in 2003.
Proof Test firing occurred in 2007
Accuracy Testing happened on 21 May 2007
The carbine was final inspected by Legion on 07 June 2007.

Most significant markings are concentrated on the left-side of the receiver.



Deciphering the Receiver Markings



Industry Standards Mark, Caliber, Serial Number and CIP Test Station & Year

Serial Number: A03671197 - Receiver (or barrreled action) Manufactured in 2003
CIP Test Station: Test Site Identification Mark and Year Proof Tested - 2007





The Quality Control Inspectors Approval: The declared date of completed manufacturing
could be reasonably construed as the date of final inspection.



Test Targets: Average of three, five-shot groups at 50 meters - 13.3mm (.524 inches)
1st Group: 16.5mm (.650 in) 2nd Group: 8.5mm (.335 in) 3rd Group: 15mm (.591 in)



Certification of Long-Term Storage Preparation
WHERE CAN THIS RIFLE BE HAD BOUGHT ETC & ETC> MUDD TURTLE WANTS ONE>
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Typical Biathlon countersunk muzzle.
Where can a person buy this rifle? Is it available. Mudd Turtle.
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The wood on the second rifle is quite striking, congratulations.

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Gerald : are these rifles available -how much ? Thanks for any help. Mudd turtle.
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