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Old 11-21-2020, 07:58 PM
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Guy was walking around the local show today with a little Llama 1911 22. I bought it from him. It was made in 1960 I believe. Kinda a neat little Gun. I will post a pic later tonight or in the morning..But I have a question. Anyone know how the magazine assembles? Knows where a exploded diagram of its assembly might be somewhere online?. I think some one had it apart and it may be assembled wrong. They are a little different than how most mags are set up..Thanks
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Old 11-22-2020, 11:12 AM
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I think I got the mag figured out fine. But had it out again today for some more fun, test firing. Functions great. But had a few light strikes that required a second hammer strike. Took it home and pulled the firing pin. It is broke in half. I will turn one in the lathe and then I think it will be fine. Other than that it feeds, and ejects beautifully

Once I get rid of the light strikes. Going to a fun little Plinker. for a couple hundred bucks. Sure beats the crap out the new Umerax and GSG potmetal junk by far. This seems to be all real machined steel.

I love the fact it is so faithfully made to the original 1911..Take down and all is even the same.
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Old 11-22-2020, 03:23 PM
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Does the barrel have a link and lugs like the 1911? I have a 38acp version, and it does, but som of the latter made ones , got rid of the link and lugs , making them simple blowbacks.
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If I understand correctly, Yes it has the barrel lugs/bushing and breakdown is just like a 1911.
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Old 11-22-2020, 03:37 PM
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Does the barrel have a link and lugs like the 1911? I have a 38acp version, and it does, but som of the latter made ones , got rid of the link and lugs , making them simple blowbacks.
The 3 .22 versions I've owned were all blow back. I'd love to see the barrel with that barrel link if it has one. That would make it a VERY rare gun!
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That was the first pistol I ever owned. My brother the gunsmith decided to help me learn about how it all works by completely disassembling it and handing it back to me as a box full of parts IIRC correctly it took me awhile and I may (or may not) have required a little help from him. I can't remember what I traded it for but I kind of regret doing it now.

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Thanks

I will post a pic of it taken down in a little bit..

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Pic..My camera is not the best..But should show what you need.

I have not owned a original 1911 for some years now, so some things definitely could be slightly different..Too long to remember now,LOL. But this seems to be identical to me in nearly every aspect except caliber/physical size..Grips are different I guess..

It is of course a 22 so blowback would be indeed the way it would operate..I believe the real 1911 is simple blow back also though..

This thing is 60 years old now, so it shows its age..Kinda like it that way.Thanks
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You are correct that everything looks like a 1911. However, the lug at the bottom of the barrel is a fixed design for blowback. The Spanish gun makers were very ingenious at using different elements of other gunmakers to put together their versions. For example, my Star Super B looks just like a 1911 but uses the barrel tilt back design of the Browning Hi Power and does not have a barrel bushing. My Star BM has the true barrel link and barrel bushing . Neither one has the 1911 grip safety and the trigger on both pivots on a roll pin rather than moving straight back like a 1911's trigger to trip the sear. My Super B is so close looking to a 1911 that it is used very often in movies to mimic the 1911 as 9MM pistols shoot blanks better than .45 caliber pistols.
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Thanks for sharing that information.

Is Star and Llama the same Company? Or the same parent Company maybe?
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No, Star LLama and Astra were all separate companies that had great success at the beginning of the 20th century in Eibar Spain because Spain did not recognize international patents unless they had been registered in Spain. As a result. they produced volumes of cheaper one off clones of very successful designs from Browning etc. Their biggest success was the "ruby" pistols that sold by the thousands in the 20's and 30's. These were modeled after John Browning's 1903 Pocket Hammerless design and were bought by the Germans and French during WWI and post war to arm their police forces in huge amounts. All these companies managed to survive into the 70's when post Franco forces made making firearms unprofitable. Basically, the syndicates (unions) destroyed the companies and ironically the unions tried to resuscitate these companies in the 1990's but it was too late.
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The firing pin broke on mine after the first few years. It's a good little gun. Something to hold onto.
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Nice utube on the 380 acp https://youtu.be/kR5lZcltNpU
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