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Old 11-17-2020, 01:59 AM
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KIDD Supergrade vs Standard (Weight & Quality Difference?)



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Long time lurker, just doing my first full custom build after adding a KIDD Ultralightweight barrel to a 10/22.

I have emailed KIDD several times to try to get this information, but have not received a response.

Does anyone know the weight of the Supergrade version of the 16.5" Ultra Lightweight Fluted .870" Black Muzzle Thread & Cap barrel?

Basically just wondering if the Supergrade weighs more than the standard version of this barrel.

Additionally, does anyone know if the the Supergrade receiver weighs more than the standard receiver? And what are the differences between the 2 receivers.

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Old 11-17-2020, 05:59 AM
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Long time lurker, just doing my first full custom build after adding a KIDD Ultralightweight barrel to a 10/22.

I have emailed KIDD several times to try to get this information, but have not received a response.

Does anyone know the weight of the Supergrade version of the 16.5" Ultra Lightweight Fluted .870" Black Muzzle Thread & Cap barrel?

Kidd Website says 1.25lbs https://www.coolguyguns.com/KIDD-22L...rel_p_138.html


Basically just wondering if the Supergrade weighs more than the standard version of this barrel.

Doubt it. In days past the Supergrade was a standard barrel threaded to the receiver, so eliminate the v-block and screws... not much.


Additionally, does anyone know if the the Supergrade receiver weighs more than the standard receiver? And what are the differences between the 2 receivers.


It might weigh a smidge more, from the Kidd Website:


KIDD's latest innovation, we have developed a unique barrel interchangeable system with an extra long barrel extension of 1 7/8" length (compared to the standard 3/4" barrel extension). After removing the barreled action from the stock, the customer can now easily slip the barrel in and out of the receiver without resistance and still maintain the utmost in stability and harmonics. KIDD now offers this alternative with our three part locking and stabilizing system sliding into a reinforced receiver. With a 1 7/8" barrel extension, utilizing an indexing flat, clamping v, and clamping flat. The indexing flat allows the shooter to perfectly time the barrel so that the extractor cut is properly aligned. The clamping v and flat secure the barrel into the receiver with two 1/8" hex head bolts.

This is our Supergrade .22LR receiver coupled with our Supergrade .22LR barrel. The KIDD Supergrade Receiver is an aftermarket receiver that is intended to only mate with a KIDD Supergrade barrel with the 1 7/8" extension. Our Supergrade receiver comes with the easy access rear cleaning hole and interchangeable low scope base with varying MOAs available. A zero degree scope base will come installed on the receiver and an optional of 10, or 20 MOA can be purchased to assist the shooter in reaching the longer distances. Both the scope base and rear tangs have mating designs to the receiver so that our rifles have great rigidity as well as some customization aspects. We machine each receiver from billet 6061 T6 aluminum and use an anodized finish either black or silver.

https://www.coolguyguns.com/KIDD-Aft...ns-_p_172.html



Thank you!

Kidd no longer threads barrels to the receiver. Most real/good gunsmiths agree it's not necessary. Kidd uses the slip fit system (see above) My guess is you are going for a superlight build. If so there are a zillion threads about that. In the case of Kidd, you are chasing a few ounces at best.
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Old 11-17-2020, 06:31 AM
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Thank you for the reply!

I had already scoured their site for weight of the components, but just like the barrel weight you cited, they only listed the weight of the standard version, not the Supergrade. I suppose it shouldn't be much heavier than the standard, but that information would be nice for them to list for all of their barrels/receivers/etc.

I am indeed trying to make it as lightweight as possible, without spending an obscene amount of money chasing grams. I have pretty much decided to use the KIDD components for this build, though I will admit I am still very new at this, so that may not be the best choice. I only wish their customer service was more responsive to email.

I was going to use their single stage trigger unless there are other options available around the same price or cheaper.

Thanks again!
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Old 11-17-2020, 09:34 AM
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There are many good after-market components out there, some very good. But I seriously doubt you can find any better than KIDD's. I've been doing builds for probably 25 years and have tried many, many different components. I have settled on KIDD -- as many others here have -- for a good reason: top quality, consistent products. Ask Chaser.

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Thank you Doug! I am very impressed with the barrel I have already installed, which led me to look into the other products they offer. Looking forward to the new build!

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I believe Kidd is a 3-4 person shop and with the things going on in the world they might be understaffed.

A TacSol X-Ring is a VERY light package.

I had a Supergrade with a screwed in barrel but gave it away. I could ask the guy what it weighs. Also the Ruger Custom shop 10/22 is pretty light. Mine is scoped so I can't get you a realistic weight.

Back to the Kidd Receiver. The Slip Fit adds a sort of 'nose' (for lack of a better term) to the front of the receiver and the barrel shank is a little longer. (so it'll weigh a 'smidge more.

Kidd stuff is really really nice, my X-Ring's are exceptional as is my Ruger Custom Shop 10/22 I'd imagine that un-scoped they would be within a few oz of each other.

Check this one out. 4.3lbs
https://tacticalsol.com/Detail.aspx?...8409&CAT=13321

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There are many good after-market components out there, some very good. But I seriously doubt you can find any better than KIDD's. I've been doing builds for probably 25 years and have tried many, many different components. I have settled on KIDD -- as many others here have -- for a good reason: top quality, consistent products. Ask Chaser. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />

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+1 Most people who get into customized 10/22's usually end up at Kidd eventually. No sense in taking the long expensive road through all the other aftermarket stuff to get there. Might as well just go Kidd right off the bat.
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There are many good after-market components out there, some very good. But I seriously doubt you can find any better than KIDD's. I've been doing builds for probably 25 years and have tried many, many different components. I have settled on KIDD -- as many others here have -- for a good reason: top quality, consistent products. Ask Chaser.

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Just a thought ; Kidd has great stuff but what about any other brand out there, Any comment on those ? I have no info on them and never picked one up to look at, as my only builds are with Kidd. I was always curious about the Tac. sol. and Volquartsen as you can walk into the big stores and buy off the rack ? Very pricey and are they accurate ?
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After building over 70 of assorted Rifles I can attest to KIDD being the best on the market in many ways.. if it's top-shelf on every level you seek then buy KIDD..There's no need to piece a rifle together with several Mfg's components seeking/hoping/praying in the end it will all "come together" KIDD = Nun Beda

Oh and in answer to the above post = " Tac. sol. and Volquartsen as you can walk into the big stores and buy off the rack ? Very pricey and are they accurate ?"

I love shooting against these.. Love it.

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After building over 70 of assorted Rifles I can attest to KIDD being the best on the market in many ways.. if it's top-shelf on every level you seek then buy KIDD..There's no need to piece a rifle together with several Mfg's components seeking/hoping/praying in the end it will all "come together" KIDD = Nun Beda <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/sthumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Blue Thumb" class="inlineimg" /><img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/sthumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Blue Thumb" class="inlineimg" />

Oh and in answer to the above post = " Tac. sol. and Volquartsen as you can walk into the big stores and buy off the rack ? Very pricey and are they accurate ?"

I love shooting against these.. Love it. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />
+1 There are other companies that make good 10/22 products, but Kidd makes everything good and offer an accuracy guarantee. VQ products are good quality but no better than Kidd at a higher price. TacSol barrels IME aren't as accurate as Kidd's and cost more. Feddersen barrels are excellent shooters if you were wanting to do a build off an existing OEM 10/22. If you plan on going full aftermarket Kidd is the best way to go IMHO. No manufacturer comes close to Kidd's triggers or guide rods & springs.
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I knew Chaser would stop by and offer his "Nun Beda" comment.

Seriously, KIDD triggers, bolts, and barrels can truly enhance a tweaked Ruger receiver. But go the whole ball of wax with a KIDD receiver too and you are there! The variations in barrels allows for a spectrum in types of builds from lightweight to heavy BR by adding the stock of your choice.

If I have one issue with KIDD is that they do not offer a true sporter contour barrel (18" and/or 20") in either stainless or CM. OK, maybe Tony couldn't or wouldn't make his 1/2" accuracy guarantee with such a barrel, but that's already the case with the UltraLight barrel and I haven't heard or read any complaints about them. Just sayin...

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Agree.. T.KIDD needs the Std. Taper in his offerings.. I have a nice looking DSP rifle sittin' here awaiting a new Std. Taper barrel.. and I may go with the FREDERSON just to give one a try. But, this is the rare occasion I would look outside KIDD goods and it's forced upon me only because I hate to hog out this nice DSP stock.
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Exactly, Chaser. I have two beautiful finger-groove stocks -- one a Spalted Sycamore from Mike Turner and the other a Cherry from EKMarlin -- that hold all-KIDD builds, except for the barrels. Those have to be sport contours and so a KIDD barrel is not possible. Instead one is a Green Mountain and the other a Feddersen. They are fine, but not KIDDs. 'Tis a shame.

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My Feddersen barrels are just as accurate as my Kids barrels. But I should mention that the only Feddersen barrels I own are .920's. I've never tried one of their sporter barrels. From everything I've seen here on RFC the GMHT barrels are very accurate.
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Thanks for the input guys , I was just curious about how those other brands shoot as I built 2 Rugers with some Kidd barrels and triggers and I am so Impressed with them. The one came together and shot very well right out of the gate , the other needed a little more thought to the bedding setup that I didn't get right the first time. now they both shoot very well, glad I went the KIDD route.
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