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Old 03-09-2012, 05:39 PM
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I don't reload so which one you say, 223, 204, 17hh?



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Hi guys, I really don't need it because I live in NY, but I want 1 for target shooting and some hunting. I understand that if you don't reload the 223 is more accurate and enough for the range that I'll be using it, but I like the 204 and especially the new 17 hornady hornet. Can you get a decent accuracy with factory ammo from 204 or the 17hh out to 250-300 yards? Thanks so much
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:58 PM
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.223/5.56 is going to give you the most flexibility when it comes to ammo. I don't know anything about the 17Hornet, but my .204 Ruger AR is every bit as accurate as any of my 5.56/.223 ARs. If I were going to limit myself to one cartridge it would have to be a .223/5.56 rifle. My first choice would be a heavy 20" barreled (not Bull barreled) AR. This would be closely followed by a Mossberg MVP or a Savage model 10 Precision Carbine.



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Old 03-09-2012, 08:18 PM
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Based on my limited experience Id say the .223. The 223 I own was pretty darn accurate with store bought ammo so much so that I decided to try some reloads from a friend of mine, that shot so well he taught me how to reload and now it shoots as good as .097-.185 at 100 yards and can consistently hold 200 yard groups around .450, Im sure it can do better once I shoot more at 200.

My point is sure you may start with store bought ammo but reloading saves you a bucket of money and the accuracy can go WAY up. It does help to have a friend thats willing to dispense years of information to you lol. Either way youll love a well made 223.

Good luck on whatever you choose.

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Old 03-09-2012, 08:40 PM
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What would you be hunting? That might make a difference, depending on the size of the game.
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:42 PM
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What would you be hunting? That might make a difference, depending on the size of the game.

Yup, can't answer properly without more info!

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Old 03-10-2012, 04:24 AM
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Can only speak of my personal preference. I have a 223 AI, a Tac20 (basically a 204) and a 17 AH. If I had to choose only one to keep it would be the Tac20. The Tac20 is a little more accurate, has recoil comparable to the 17 AH and uses bullet weights in the middle of the other two.
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Old 03-10-2012, 06:42 AM
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I don't reload either, and having hunted in NY with one,.....

It's gonna be tough to beat the 223 for the number of off-the-shelf choices of good, accurate ammo, the many types of hunting ammo, and choices of inexpensive plinking/practice ammo.

And a good 223 rifle will hold it's own with accuracy, while giving you more range of bullet weights/types that work better on more types of our NY critters.

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Old 03-10-2012, 07:13 AM
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I agree with all the above .223 is your best bet. Ammo for the .223 is more
available and I'm sure cheaper then the .204. Buy the ammo in bulk and save a few dollars.
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I understand that if you don't reload the 223 is more accurate ...
It's not that factory ammo for the 223 is more accurate than factory loaded ammo for other calibers. It's that factory loaded ammo for the 223 is:
- easier to find
- available in a wide selection of bullet weights & types
- cheaper

Generally, you match the bullet weight and type to the type of shooting you will be doing or the type of game you will be hunting. Factory ammo for the 204 is pretty much limited to hunting-type bullets. Factory ammo for the 223 comes in everything from cheap FMJ to hunting bullets for medium game as well and varmints AND match grade target ammo... which won't be cheap but it is available, which you won't find true with the others on your list.
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I agree with all the above .223 is your best bet. Ammo for the .223 is more
available and I'm sure cheaper then the .204. Buy the ammo in bulk and save a few dollars.
That's for sure. I have both. 204 is faster (circa 4200) and flatter. But less choice on ammo......

If the speed isn't an issue, I agree .223 is the more practical caliber.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:49 AM
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Regardless of cost, availability, caliber,etc......to comment on .204 Ruger.....The Hunting Shack makes some awesome .204 Ruger ammo using either Sierra Blitzking bullets or Hornady V-Max bullets. I was amazed at the accuracy of their 32gr offerings prior to starting to reload.

I also had very good luck with Black Hills ammo in .223.
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:57 AM
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I appreciate all your replies guys, I'm leaning towards 223 in Cz. As far as hunting like Airgun guy said for the critters that we have here in NY i'll just stick with an accurate light load. I have a 22 lr, 17 hmr, and a 30-06, so I just wanted to add 1 in between mostly when I go to the range. Thanks again
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Take note that some of the CZ have 1:12 twist barrels (the American and M1) and some have the 1:9 twist barrels (the Varmint). The slower twist (meaning the 1:12) is going to limit you to bullets of about 55 grains or less if you are after accuracy.
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:30 PM
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if you don't mind a plastic stock, look towards the savage/stevens model 200. it uses a savage model 10 barreled (1:9twist) receiver, has the floating bolt head, savage/axis trigger, and can take aftermarket stocks. i don't shoot factory ammo with mine, but everyone I've heard from that has one says that almost all factory ammo will shoot MOA or better out of theirs, as for me, i'm getting anywhere from 1moa with my plinking loads to .3moa from my target loads. and if you wanted to, with the money saved from buying the stevens you 'could' start reloading with one of the lee loader kits for something like $100 shipped
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Take note that some of the CZ have 1:12 twist barrels (the American and M1) and some have the 1:9 twist barrels (the Varmint). The slower twist (meaning the 1:12) is going to limit you to bullets of about 55 grains or less if you are after accuracy.
Definitly a consideration if your thinking of doing any hunting in NY, plus if you ever want to get some longer range target in.

With the 1:9 you can use the mid to heavier range of bullets which not only work better at long range target, but also work very well on wood chucks on up to our bigger Eastern yotes.

And there are even more good ammo choices for the 223 now than when I bought my Savage mod 11. I just ordered some Hornady Superformance which they say gets the 223 up close to 22-250 performance with reduced pressure and reduced barrel flash for night hunting yotes.

In other words, because of the 223's broader popularity, ammo makers are putting more R&R and sellection into that caliber.

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