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Old 03-20-2019, 02:24 PM
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This probably the best bi-pod now on the market, made by SEB. works like his joy stick rest can handle a 50lb. rifle no problem.

$750+( my Pappas cost that much!)


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Most of the guys I shoot with use his joy stick front rest $1500+ and a year wait or more.
Think I will stick with my Pappas!

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Old 03-20-2019, 02:29 PM
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Bubble level?

Forgot to ask what did you mean by Bubble level and fighting it? does the scope have a built in level?

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I am gonna have to try this 20 shot group with a couple of my bench guns. You got me wanting to try it to see how it goes.

I do have a good 10 shot one with my Chacon 10/22. But I shot out my aiming point which was the little dot on a IR50/50 bull. Makes it harder to do.


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The hole in the center of a Life Saver is 1cm, or 0.3934", or a radius of 0.1967". Rimfire bullet diameter is 0.224", or a radius of 0.112". That means the bullet can only move 0.0847" from the center of the hole before it will break the Life Saver.

Amazing that a gun can put all it's shots less than 0.08" from the center at 100 yards...every time, all day long, as long as you do your part.

I need to dump all my guns and get a bunch of these.
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The hole in the center of a Life Saver is 1cm, or 0.3934", or a radius of 0.1967". Rimfire bullet diameter is 0.224", or a radius of 0.112". That means the bullet can only move 0.0847" from the center of the hole before it will break the Life Saver.

Amazing that a gun can put all it's shots less than 0.08" from the center at 100 yards...every time, all day long, as long as you do your part.

I need to dump all my guns and get a bunch of these.
I agree. No way.
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The hole in the center of a Life Saver is 1cm, or 0.3934", or a radius of 0.1967". Rimfire bullet diameter is 0.224", or a radius of 0.112". That means the bullet can only move 0.0847" from the center of the hole before it will break the Life Saver.

Amazing that a gun can put all it's shots less than 0.08" from the center at 100 yards...every time, all day long, as long as you do your part.

I need to dump all my guns and get a bunch of these.
I just remembered, being in the business, I do believe they resized the candy to a smaller size to cut cost maybe they were using some vintage life savers from the 90's

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I had a buddy run a program for measuring on that 10 shot group above. He tells me my .238ctc is off. It was actually .212ctc. Not too shabby.


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Old 03-20-2019, 04:25 PM
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Maybe we’re talking about this type lifesaver?


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The hole in the center of a Life Saver is 1cm, or 0.3934", or a radius of 0.1967". Rimfire bullet diameter is 0.224", or a radius of 0.112". That means the bullet can only move 0.0847" from the center of the hole before it will break the Life Saver.

Amazing that a gun can put all it's shots less than 0.08" from the center at 100 yards...every time, all day long, as long as you do your part.

I need to dump all my guns and get a bunch of these.


Now that you posted the actual numbers, it sounds like more typical internet hooey.
It does not matter how accurate the rifle is, variations in bullet drop, wind, and so many other factors affect the path of a rimfire bullet at 100 yards that I’m going to call BS on this one. Especially when you consider that the bullet is on a downward arc that would likely make the path of travel angulated to the hole in the lifesaver so as to supass that .085” and make contact.

Maybe they used those individually wrapped large Lifesavers?
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Forgot to ask what did you mean by Bubble level and fighting it? does the scope have a built in level?

Lee
Yeah...the stock has a built in level and the ARC 20 MOA uni-mount has one on it too.
You can see the one on the stock in the second photo. Just behind the tang.

The scope came optically centered. I used the level on the ring set, to level the scope. When I leveled that, the level on the stock was perfect too. These scopes are not supposed to have any reticle cant at all. I wanted to be sure so I leveled the gun , then hung a plumb bob out at 25 yards. When I finished I stuck a level on top of the elevation turret. All three levels were perfect.

When I first sighted the gun all I had to do was walk up the elevation.......never had to touch the windage. The windage is exactly how it was when the scope came out of the box. I was amazed by that. That's some tight tolerances.

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Yeah...the stock has a built in level and the ARC 20 MOA uni-mount has one on it too.
You can see the one on the stock in the second photo. Just behind the tang.

The scope came optically centered. I used the level on the ring set, to level the scope. When I leveled that, the level on the stock was perfect too. These scopes are not supposed to have any reticle cant at all. I wanted to be sure so I leveled the gun , then hung a plumb bob out at 25 yards. When I finished I stuck a level on top of the elevation turret. All three levels were perfect.

When I first sighted the gun all I had to do was walk up the elevation.......never had to touch the windage. The windage is exactly how it was when the scope came out of the box. I was amazed by that. That's some tight tolerances.

T.S.

You gotta love a scope that tracks well. I shoot NRA Smallbore Silhouette quite a bit, and the only scopes I own that track well enough are my Sightrons & Leupolds.
Weavers & Nikons do reasonably well, but my Bushnells and the two Mueller scopes I didn’t replace yet are relegated to “set it & forget it” roles.

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TS- how much does it weigh with the scope?

When are you going to post up some pics of this work of art?

The rule at RFC is: Pics or it didn’t happen!

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It's heavy Doc. I don't have anything to weight it with. Good 12- 14 pounds I would guess. The Scope is 2 pounds 7 ounces.

I have a problem with a turtle infestation in the bigger pond behind the new one in the back yard ( there are two). The turtles get in there and stomp all over the spawning beds, eat the eggs......then the Gators come for the turtles and they will eat anything , including me. So I had to do something. This afternoon, I thinned them out a little and took no shots less than 100 yards. The furtherest was 146. Using a Leupold RX-1299i rangefinder. Missed the first one but saw the shot go just over his back. From then on the dope was in. Of course some of them are the size of coffee cans which doesn't say much for precision but the gun/scope combination did really well off the bipod and I was able to calculate ranges between the scope and rangefinder pretty good. Good enough to hit at distance.

The glass on this scope is crazy. The reticle is real nice too. I like it. I just need to get used to it and get some match ammo.

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The hole in the center of a Life Saver is 1cm, or 0.3934", or a radius of 0.1967". Rimfire bullet diameter is 0.224", or a radius of 0.112". That means the bullet can only move 0.0847" from the center of the hole before it will break the Life Saver.

Amazing that a gun can put all it's shots less than 0.08" from the center at 100 yards...every time, all day long, as long as you do your part.

I need to dump all my guns and get a bunch of these.
It is, as noted above, unbelievable shooting. That is to say, not believable.
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Old 03-21-2019, 01:26 AM
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Last group of the day.

Gun was left to sit for nearly 2 hours.
Got a calm window.

The target bull is 1/4 inch.
POA the top corner.

Measurement = 1/4 inch edge to edge. Or 6.35mm.
Ok anyway, this is the last of the cup targets. For a day or two. lol

Most all of the targets were shot with the scope set to 14x. With 7 times magnification, the scope is at 1/2 its capabilities. At 14x the floating dot can get inside a bullet hole at 50 yards. And easily on the corner tip of a 1/4 inch bullseye.

The floating dot in the reticle is 1/10 milradian. At 50 yards. This translates to, 0.18 inches in a first focal plane , Mil Mil scope, with a 1/10 mil floating dot. " Mil Mil", indicating that the turrets are matched to the reticle. In layman's terms, the floating Dot is 0.04 smaller than a .22 caliber bullet hole at 50 yards at any magnification relative to that range. At 1000 yards One milradian, is 36.something something something inches and if you divide 36 by 1000, you will get the derivative of what one milradian is per yard. That number is : 0.036 inches per yard. The floating Dot in the reticle is 1/10 that size per yard 0.0036. The scope parallax corrects down to 21 feet with crystal clarity, on maximum magnification.

You can imagine what's running thru my head when I'm ranging, and then figuring it out with ballistic input ///and without. The entire system is based on tenths, thousandths, and thousands of thousandths, to infinity.

So anyways........I got lots of stuff I could show yous guys, tips secrets, stuff I learned from doing this BEING OBSESSED WITH THIS. Like the rest of you.
I might learn something from yous guys too, cant fault me for that huh?

Miracles can happen. Come on, I'm kidding. Seriously, I'm kidding.
Some of you guys I been fighting back and forth with here......getting suspended and fussed at about it, have been pretty cool on this thread.

Be well,
T.S.

PS- the pinhole tear is not a bullet hole, it's just a tear.




Just for fun........got it on the first try with a cold bore.




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Guys guys guys! I never said he threaded the needle on the lifesaver every shot!!! It was far from every shot, maybe 1/10 or 15. I am far from having anything that will do that at 50 or 100 yards. So to me it was extremely impressive. I was able to get one of them at 50 yards out of several shots, and I never thought I could. So let’s not be so harsh on the BS comments.

Maybe you don’t think a clean shot through a lifesaver is a tough competition. I was never able to do it at 50 yards,until I shot the. Vudoo. When I saw it at 100 yards, to me, that was incredible.

I don’t compete so maybe the guys calling bs are not impressed. Don’t matter. I’m just one recreational shooter that did better than I ever thought I could just by shooting the vudoo . I really enjoyed it.
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