513T Dating Question - RimfireCentral.com Forums

Go Back   RimfireCentral.com Forums > >

Join Team RFC to remove these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-18-2019, 11:03 AM
KaiserChief's Avatar
KaiserChief
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Mar 2016
Location: 
Westchester,NY
Posts: 
24
TPC Rating: 
0% (0)
513T Dating Question



Log in to see fewer ads
I purchased this rifle recently. It is dated EL which corresponds to being October 42 or October 64. Is there any way to distinguish between the two dates ? It is has US Property stamped on it with a small circular emblem stamped on the stock. Any thoughts ?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-18-2019, 01:04 PM
dustoffer's Avatar
dustoffer
US Army Veteran NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Mar 2007
Posts: 
3,369
TPC Rating: 
100% (11)
Only thing I can think of it whether or not it has a grooved receiver for tip-off scope mounts, but I'm not sure they were ever grooved. If it does have them, it would be '64. I'm sure someone with far more knowledge than I have will chime in --
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-18-2019, 01:35 PM
schutzen-jager's Avatar
schutzen-jager
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Jan 2006
Location: 
peoples republic of new jersey
Posts: 
3,757
TPC Rating: 
100% (21)
which receiver ring is the U.S. stamped on ? - does it have a property number next to U.S. stamp if on rear most receiver ring ? - is it a ramp non hooded front sight attached with two screws ? - is the barrel stamped [ military finish ] by model number ? - is the stock comb fluted ? -
Reply With Quote
 
  #4  
Old 05-18-2019, 03:50 PM
Rodmaker
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Mar 2016
Location: 
Springdale, AR
Posts: 
56
TPC Rating: 
0% (0)
There should be a serial number on a 513T. It will be on the underside of the barrell just in front of the fore end. Low number should be the early year, high number, the later year. Or call Remington with the serial number to find out.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-18-2019, 03:55 PM
schutzen-jager's Avatar
schutzen-jager
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Jan 2006
Location: 
peoples republic of new jersey
Posts: 
3,757
TPC Rating: 
100% (21)
Remington has no reliable serial number records on the 513's prior to 1968 - also the serial numbers are not sequential , the date codes on barrel are -
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-18-2019, 04:03 PM
Rodmaker
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Mar 2016
Location: 
Springdale, AR
Posts: 
56
TPC Rating: 
0% (0)
With the possible dates being 22 years apart, the high-low serial number comparison should be accurate enough. Odds are it's the earlier.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-18-2019, 09:16 PM
edlmann's Avatar
edlmann
US Air Force Veteran NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Nov 2006
Posts: 
5,454
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaiserChief View Post
I purchased this rifle recently. It is dated EL which corresponds to being October 42 or October 64. Is there any way to distinguish between the two dates?
Is the magazine catch attached to the action or to the stock?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-19-2019, 06:57 AM
schutzen-jager's Avatar
schutzen-jager
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Jan 2006
Location: 
peoples republic of new jersey
Posts: 
3,757
TPC Rating: 
100% (21)
not a good indicator - most latches changed to later style during post war repairs or rebuilds -
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-19-2019, 09:22 AM
edlmann's Avatar
edlmann
US Air Force Veteran NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Nov 2006
Posts: 
5,454
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
Quote:
Originally Posted by schutzen-jager View Post
not a good indicator - most latches changed to later style during post war repairs or rebuilds -
What would be interesting to know would be if the bottom of the receiver insert was drilled and tapped for the old style latch.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-19-2019, 01:59 PM
schutzen-jager's Avatar
schutzen-jager
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Jan 2006
Location: 
peoples republic of new jersey
Posts: 
3,757
TPC Rating: 
100% (21)
the drilled + taped inserts were used well into the late 50's - own several 521's that never used the old style latch that have the old style inserts -
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-20-2019, 12:24 AM
PWNolan's Avatar
PWNolan
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Moderator
Join Date: 
Sep 2008
Location: 
Lost
Posts: 
4,222
TPC Rating: 
0% (0)
OP is the bolt body &/or the trigger color case hardened? I know John's book says that Remington started to only color case harden the back of the bolt in 1942. Kind of a long shot but if the entire bolt is color case hardened then it was definitely made earlier. The trigger being color case hardened would be a good indicator too. Going from memory here but I believe they stopped case hardening the triggers in 1948. I know on my 1946 513T the back half of the bolt and the trigger are case hardened. If yours was made in 1942 then I would think it would be the same.
__________________
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most

Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-20-2019, 06:41 AM
schutzen-jager's Avatar
schutzen-jager
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Jan 2006
Location: 
peoples republic of new jersey
Posts: 
3,757
TPC Rating: 
100% (21)
none of my original 42 . 43 , + 44 original [ non rebuilt ] 513's are case hardened - I think that they were only on commercial models + very early GI contract ones put together utilizing commercial parts in stock - most all DCM + CMP ones are loaded with replacement parts - I have seen many pre war 5teens with casehardened bolts + triggers -
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-20-2019, 09:14 AM
PWNolan's Avatar
PWNolan
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Moderator
Join Date: 
Sep 2008
Location: 
Lost
Posts: 
4,222
TPC Rating: 
0% (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by schutzen-jager View Post
none of my original 42 . 43 , + 44 original [ non rebuilt ] 513's are case hardened - I think that they were only on commercial models + very early GI contract ones put together utilizing commercial parts in stock - most all DCM + CMP ones are loaded with replacement parts - I have seen many pre war 5teens with casehardened bolts + triggers -
Yeah I didn't read the first post close enough. That's what I get for staying up too late and reading these threads.
__________________
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-20-2019, 09:22 AM
gcrank1's Avatar
gcrank1

Join Date: 
Apr 2018
Location: 
south central WI, USA
Posts: 
2,651
TPC Rating: 
100% (3)
I had a very clean, low mileage late version some years back that had a grooved receiver, that was why I bought it; easy to scope. Sticks in my sometimes flaky memory as one from the last couple of years production?
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-20-2019, 02:25 PM
schutzen-jager's Avatar
schutzen-jager
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Jan 2006
Location: 
peoples republic of new jersey
Posts: 
3,757
TPC Rating: 
100% (21)
every 66 , 67 , 68 , + 69 513 I have owned , worked on , + examined have been factory grooved -
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Question regarding WWII Rifle beachguy43 RFC Community Forum 15 03-18-2019 12:31 PM
Need help Dating 513T Bobwire Remington 8 12-01-2018 11:06 PM
Remington 513T at LGS question Southpaw62 Remington 25 06-19-2018 06:49 AM
Rem 513T Question dick471 Remington 14 03-14-2017 09:38 AM
Not meant to start an online war ... Just a sincere question rjtmac Open Rimfire 64 01-17-2017 07:10 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:17 PM.

Privacy Policy

DMCA Notice

Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 2000-2018 RimfireCentral.com
x