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Old 05-17-2019, 05:27 PM
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I have an Anschutz 1422 22 WMR. It has double set triggers on the M54 action.

I have a Leupold 6.5-20x40 EFR on top, and this rifle is quite accurate, but it also is handicapped by the WMR ammo, which is not particularly consistent.

The Winchester grey box 40 JHP is the best in this rifle, with a couple of the 30 grain offerings doing OK. While I have shot a few sub-moa groups with this rifle, it probably averages around 1.3 moa with ammo it likes.

One of the most frustrating ammos in this rifle is the Remington 33 grain accutip.
It will often put 3 or 4 into a ragged hole at 100, but 1 or 2 will open the group to well over moa. grrrr.

If someone would actually manufacture a consistent WMR ammo, I would be all over it. D.
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Old 05-17-2019, 05:45 PM
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Eagleye, there's plenty of consistent 22wmr ammunition available.

When you want a box of cartridges that throws strays, it's consistent as heck.


Yes, I went there, again.
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Old 05-19-2019, 03:52 PM
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Found this older article on 22 WMR accuracy testing, with 3 rifles, at 50 yards. Only 40 and 50 gr loads but interesting results. Guess I should be happy with averaging 3/4" 5X groups at 50 yards with my Cooper 57M Classic and Rem 547C, and newer ammo.
https://www.gun-tests.com/issues/10_...l#.XNQ--WfCHT4
I have an OLD H&K Model 300 .2 Magnum, and with a 6x scope I can bounce golf balls with Federal 50 gr HP out to 150 yards, (as long as I have a solid rest and nobody presses me to hurry).
I also shoot a Rossi .22 Mag pump, (looks like a Winchester), that I can do the same at 50~60 yards with iron sights, (well, maybe for a little longer, eyes getting to be what they are...).

Any time I have tried ANY loads lighter then 40 grains accuracy has completely vanished anywhere past about 75 yards, with several .22 Mag firearms.
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Old 05-19-2019, 10:41 PM
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Eagleye, there's plenty of consistent 22wmr ammunition available.

When you want a box of cartridges that throws strays, it's consistent as heck.


Yes, I went there, again.
Love it!!
That's what we must be doing wrong...some here are able to pick out those erratic cartridges out of the mix and not shoot them
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Old 05-20-2019, 09:17 AM
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I expect it is just like getting a lucky hand in poker.
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Old 05-22-2019, 03:46 PM
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Tee hee...folks who only shoot 10 shots and claim all day long make me giggle too.

50 shots in a typical box of 22wmr.
Sooner or later y'er gonna shoot the entire box.
Aren't you curious as to how that will work out? I am.
Most definitely not going to base an opinion on less than 50 shots.
The rifle may be capable, but as in testing 22lr for the best lots
you don't make a purchase based on 10 shots.
I don't test ammo without at least 50, preferably 100 shots sent.
I require a decent sized sample to determine ammo quality.
I have to agree with you. Back in the day when I could handle the recoil, I would see guys buy one box of what ever caliber their rifle was, shoot 3 maybe 5 shots and say their rifle was sighted in. Give me a brake.

I would always start at 50 rounds and maybe 75 before I would claim it was sighted in. That's just the way my granpa taught me to shot. What happens if your scope mount is a little loose and it doesn't become evident till round 10 or so, or 25 or so?

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Old 05-30-2019, 08:10 AM
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Well it's pouring rain here today. So grabbed my digital caliper and a box of CCI/Hornady Critical Defense to inspect.

I measured the total length and found the longest measured 1.3475" and the shortest measured 1.3320". 27 rounds fell in the 1.34+ range with the rest under 1.3395. The spread from shortest to longest was .0155".

I also did a slow roll test to see if I could see any wobble in the seated bullets. One round's roll speed varied speed indicating that it was not balanced, but I could not see the bullet wobble. Guessing this is probably something to do with the way the propellent settled.

I don't have a scale capable of weighing these rounds accurately. I should have one this week. In the meantime, I'm going to check a box of CCI MAXI-MAG 22WMR HPs.
The scale has been here for a while, and had a chance to weigh some of the same boxes as above. Weights ranged from 4.430g to one at 4.485g. The vast majority fell between 4.440g and 4.455g.

Now I'm waiting for some copper solvent and nylon bore brushes to arrive and make sure my 50+ year old barrel isn't contributing to my 3MOA issues.
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Old 06-01-2019, 04:24 AM
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My best group from the other day, it's about .8. The Hornady did better than CCI 40gr solids and 40gr HP which were averaging about 1.5 inch 10 shot groups. The Hornady averaged 1.2 or so..
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Old 06-01-2019, 09:46 AM
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Well done, 5w30, that's excellent shooting.
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Old 06-01-2019, 12:32 PM
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5w30, I'd be very happy to have results like that again.
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Old 06-04-2019, 02:21 PM
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Try again . . .

Since I started this thread, decided to try again with my Rem 547C in 22WMR with a 20X scope, 50 yards, 10 5X groups, after a very good solvent/bronze brush/patches/ cleaning, which hasn't been done consistently in the past. Good conditions today, some wind. Center sighter target is 5X CCI 40 gr JHP. The rest are RWS 40 GR JSP. The old 4 good 1 flyer syndrome was really working today, would say 6 targets look that way, including the CCI. All groups average just under 3/4". Could be me changing position from one target to the next but was trying to get a solid hold and shot slowly. Some very nice 4X groups, the ammo is not as consistent as hoped, as other posts have shown, and is only listed as hunting, not match, ammo.
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Old 06-04-2019, 07:31 PM
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Daaayyyuuummm...ya' used the expensive stuff!

Too bad it doesn't produce results that match the price per round.

I tried it too, major educational expense.

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Old 06-05-2019, 05:31 AM
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The .22 mag is first and foremost a hunters round. Which i might add excels at varmint and pest harvest. All the targets i see in this thread are way better than "minute of prairie dog" . Just maybe, you should grab your gun, some ammo and go for a walk. Shoot some varmints, relax and enjoy the day.
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Old 06-05-2019, 06:28 AM
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Well hereís the rub. $.04 a round 22lr. CCI Sv , Can shoot 5 rounds into a one hole group the size of a nickel And WMR costs 3 or 4 times more and doesnít.

So is it the crummy quality control that gets blamed all the time? I donít think so , cause itís the same quality control as the the 22 Lr.

I think itís an inherent flaw in the design of the round. The speed and the bullet shape just make it intrinsically less accurate. Like a 30/30 itís a hunting round.

So Iím gonna live with it, rather than go on a quixotic search for bug hole performance.

The real question is why is 17hmr so crummy?
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Old 06-05-2019, 07:26 AM
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The real question is why is 17hmr so crummy?

I've had an HMR since 2002, and I've never had a complaint with it's accuracy. I've shot some groups right at 1/4" with one lot of ammo, but day-in, day-out, it's a 5/8" gun with a normal 3-9X Burris scope. It's one of the very early 17V Marlins. I did have some trigger work done, and bedded it myself, but it's otherwise stock.
I had a Savage 93R17 that was pretty close to that.

The 455 barrel I had wouldn't do that with 17Vmaxes, but it favored 20gr. loads anyway.
I have yet to see an HMR that wouldn't shoot well, regardless of price.
(unless your comment was tongue-in-cheek, which is fine with me).
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