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Old 04-10-2019, 11:02 PM
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Mine took just shy of a month to get back from the factory after being "repaired".

Still had to tinker with it and do some experimenting to get it to be reliable, but the thing is ridiculously accurate.

In all honesty, it shoots tighter groups than my Kidd Supergrade, and that's even with cheaper ammo.
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Old 04-11-2019, 06:20 PM
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Mine took just shy of a month to get back from the factory after being "repaired".

Still had to tinker with it and do some experimenting to get it to be reliable, but the thing is ridiculously accurate.

In all honesty, it shoots tighter groups than my Kidd Supergrade, and that's even with cheaper ammo.
Sad to say...this scenario is what I'm expecting. I agree they are a very accurate rifle...but if it becomes a "shoot 2 or 3, then clear jams"...I might as well be back with a bolt gun. I really think we should do a poll and see how many people had these same problems. If mine comes back from Ruger and it's not perfect, I want them to buy it back. I don't have the desire to keep tinkering with it to get it to do what it should have from the factory.

I sincerely doubt that everyone who bought one of these, in good faith, expected to have it be ammo sensitive, fail to eject, and fail to feed causing it to frequently jam. If they would have posted those details on the ads describing it in sales literature, and we still bought it, too bad for us. But that was not the case. Either they didn't care enough to test it thoroughly, or knew it was problematic, and still sold them. Very poor conduct from a company I used to really respect.

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Old 04-13-2019, 01:36 AM
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Mine took just shy of a month to get back from the factory after being "repaired".

Still had to tinker with it and do some experimenting to get it to be reliable, but the thing is ridiculously accurate.

In all honesty, it shoots tighter groups than my Kidd Supergrade, and that's even with cheaper ammo.
Hi Luvthemtorts, I'm glad you gave the Ruger a second chance.
It is no secret these RCSC rifles have a tighter match style chamber to improve accuracy but the downside is that the inconsistent ammo does not always feed well.


The Ruger chamber is tighter than my Volquartsen Superlite and will outshoot the VQ by a little as of now. It now seems to shoot more of a variety (cheap) of ammo accurately than when I first shot it.

Did you try a polishing compound on your Ruger CSC ? What tinkering did you do to improve reliability after you got it back from Ruger? Did you notice if they softened the edge of the chamber to stop the lead shaving?

For the small effort I had to put into my RCSC I really am enjoying shooting it now and it is getting to be " ridiculously accurate".

Also could you enlighten us on what exactly were the issue(s) that you had with the Kidd you had to send back. Can you tell if the chamber on the Kidd is as tight as the Ruger by inserting different rounds in it?

Your insight will be appreciated and I think that the more we share these tips on fixing the problems, more owners can know how to get theirs running well and enjoy shooting them.
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Old 04-13-2019, 07:33 AM
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Inconsistent dimensions on ammo seems far more common now than ever before, especially with the lower-end stuff, but even in what used to be some of the better higher-priced stuff. Solution for manufacturers is sloppy chambers. Tighten them up a smidge for accuracy and 'issues', especially in autoloaders; whats a manufacturer to do? If they say only use X ammo who is going to buy it? About then X ammo goes funky......
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Old 04-13-2019, 09:19 AM
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I put about 250 rounds through my CSC lastnght with the majority being Federal Automatch. I ran 20 rounds of CCI AR Tactical and 40 rounds of CCI SV. I had 2 failure to fires with the automatch which were soley ammo related as both rounds had very solid strikes and I tried them multiple times but no go. The SV ran great. I shot at 50yds prone with a bipod and rear bag and was able to get multiple 10 round groups of automatch into a .875" or smaller group (outside to outside) without taking my time. I have around 600 rounds through the rifle now without any cleaning and it is doing good. I feel like the issues I had early on have worked themselves out but we will see. I'm happy with it and glad I got away from my Ruger American target.
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Old 04-13-2019, 01:50 PM
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Hi Luvthemtorts, I'm glad you gave the Ruger a second chance.
It is no secret these RCSC rifles have a tighter match style chamber to improve accuracy but the downside is that the inconsistent ammo does not always feed well.


The Ruger chamber is tighter than my Volquartsen Superlite and will outshoot the VQ by a little as of now. It now seems to shoot more of a variety (cheap) of ammo accurately than when I first shot it.

Did you try a polishing compound on your Ruger CSC ? What tinkering did you do to improve reliability after you got it back from Ruger? Did you notice if they softened the edge of the chamber to stop the lead shaving?

For the small effort I had to put into my RCSC I really am enjoying shooting it now and it is getting to be " ridiculously accurate".

Also could you enlighten us on what exactly were the issue(s) that you had with the Kidd you had to send back. Can you tell if the chamber on the Kidd is as tight as the Ruger by inserting different rounds in it?

Your insight will be appreciated and I think that the more we share these tips on fixing the problems, more owners can know how to get theirs running well and enjoy shooting them.
My problems and remedies are documented in the other Custom thread, but I'll chime in case it actually helps someone having the same issues.

Issues encountered before sending it back to Ruger.
1. Failure to feed with numerous types of ammo.
2. Shaving lead from projectiles that it would chamber.
3. Failure to eject fired brass.
4. Absolutely horrible finish on the barrel.

Issues after receiving it back after the factory replaced the barrel.
1. Failure to feed any brand hollowpoint, as well as several types of match grade ammo.
2. Failure to eject spent brass (although slightly improved from before barrel exchange)
3. Shaving lead from bullets when clambering.

Basically, the same issues as before Ruger "fixed" it, although slightly improved.

To remedy the problems and make the gun reliable I have done the following.
1. Reduce magazine tension by half.
2. Replaced charging handle spring with the lightest weight that Kidd offers.
3. Increase tension on upper barrel mount screw while reducing tension on V block.
4. Replace extractor with Kidd components.

The gun will now feed all solid point bullets I have tried without shaving the projectile and ejects reliably.
The gun will still not function with any hollowpoint loads I have tried.

To sum it up,
It's been a frustrating process but the gun now functions extremely well and is insanely accurate (routinely outshoots my Kidd Supergrade).

I believe anyone purchasing one of these should go into it with eyes wide open, hoping they have no issues, but fully expecting them.
The issues are solvable but the buyer needs to decide if they want to risk having to tinker with a new gun that should work straight out of the box.
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Old 04-13-2019, 02:19 PM
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Hi Luvthemtorts, I'm glad you gave the Ruger a second chance.
It is no secret these RCSC rifles have a tighter match style chamber to improve accuracy but the downside is that the inconsistent ammo does not always feed well.


The Ruger chamber is tighter than my Volquartsen Superlite and will outshoot the VQ by a little as of now. It now seems to shoot more of a variety (cheap) of ammo accurately than when I first shot it.

Did you try a polishing compound on your Ruger CSC ? What tinkering did you do to improve reliability after you got it back from Ruger? Did you notice if they softened the edge of the chamber to stop the lead shaving?

For the small effort I had to put into my RCSC I really am enjoying shooting it now and it is getting to be " ridiculously accurate".

Also could you enlighten us on what exactly were the issue(s) that you had with the Kidd you had to send back. Can you tell if the chamber on the Kidd is as tight as the Ruger by inserting different rounds in it?

Your insight will be appreciated and I think that the more we share these tips on fixing the problems, more owners can know how to get theirs running well and enjoy shooting them.<img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/sthumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Blue Thumb" class="inlineimg" />
My problems and remedies are documented in the other Custom thread, but I'll chime in case it actually helps someone having the same issues.

Issues encountered before sending it back to Ruger.
1. Failure to feed with numerous types of ammo.
2. Shaving lead from projectiles that it would chamber.
3. Failure to eject fired brass.
4. Absolutely horrible finish on the barrel.

Issues after receiving it back after the factory replaced the barrel.
1. Failure to feed any brand hollowpoint, as well as several types of match grade ammo.
2. Failure to eject spent brass (although slightly improved from before barrel exchange)
3. Shaving lead from bullets when clambering.

Basically, the same issues as before Ruger "fixed" it, although slightly improved.

To remedy the problems and make the gun reliable I have done the following.
1. Reduce magazine tension by half.
2. Replaced charging handle spring with the lightest weight that Kidd offers.
3. Increase tension on upper barrel mount screw while reducing tension on V block.
4. Replace extractor with Kidd components.

The gun will now feed all solid point bullets I have tried without shaving the projectile and ejects reliably.
The gun will still not function with any hollowpoint loads I have tried.

To sum it up,
It's been a frustrating process but the gun now functions extremely well and is insanely accurate (routinely outshoots my Kidd Supergrade).

I believe anyone purchasing one of these should go into it with eyes wide open, hoping they have no issues, but fully expecting them.
The issues are solvable but the buyer needs to decide if they want to risk having to tinker with a new gun that should work straight out of the box.
Have you tried cci mini mags? I shot around 700 rounds so far only 2 misfeed but it was the magazine i was using. All sub moa at 50 yards. Do people shoot HP in competition? Maybe Ruger never intended this rifle to shoot HP.
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Old 04-13-2019, 02:43 PM
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Have you tried cci mini mags? I shot around 700 rounds so far only 2 misfeed but it was the magazine i was using. All sub moa at 50 yards. Do people shoot HP in competition? Maybe Ruger never intended this rifle to shoot HP.
The inability to use hollowpoint ammo doesn't particularly concern me.

What does concern me is the amount of tinkering it took to make the gun reliable with MATCH GRADE ammo after it was "repaired" by Ruger.

There seems to be as many negative experiences as there are positive on this forum, which doesn't instill a great amount of confidence in this model.
Every company passes a turd every now and then, but it appears Ruger has a case of diarrhea going on recently.
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:17 PM
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Reading about members still having to tinker with their gun to have it work right after Ruger supposedly fixed it just angers me beyond description. I bought American because I believe that's what we should do. But something is really, really wrong here, if Ruger is saying "fixed", but it's really not.

My rifle is due back next week. I will try it with some different types of ammo, but if there are the same issues that happened before, I am going to force Ruger to buy it back, by whatever means necessary.

I have no desire to mess with a rifle that needs this much tinkering to work as it should from the factory. I am retired, and do not ever have to work again. But this is not how I planned on spending time with this rifle....messing with it to make it work. I intended to shoot it quite a bit to cheaply maintain my rifle skills, and teach all my grand-kids how to shoot as they they age into shooting sports.

There are a ton of other quality .22 LR rifles out there that can serve that end, without any of this rifle's issues.

I really want it to work, but this will be the last time I try it...I wasn't told what Ruger did to "fix" it....we'll see. I'll post up the results...

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Old 04-18-2019, 12:42 PM
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Hi all,

Rifle's on the Fed Ex truck out for delivery today. I'm planning on shooting it tomorrow at my indoor range...to test for function and accuracy.

I'll post up on the results on Friday evening or Saturday....

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Hi all,

Well, the rifle came back today, just got here via FedEx. In reading the packing slip, the techs indicated they replaced the barrel, and test fired it with three factory 10-rd mags, which were shipped with the rifle. That's two more than the one I sent in with it, so I guess I get two little tidbits for all the trouble. Their results indicated it was tested with CCI Green tag and CCI 36 Gr HP's.

No CCI SV's were tested apparently, but if the ones they did use will work, I don't have a problem with using those. I will also try some other brands I have, and some brands others on the forum have used with success.

The barrel looks good, with no visible finish issues. If it works and shoots as well as the other barrel did accuracy-wise, I'll be pleased. I'm going to try to shoot it tomorrow afternoon, and I'll post up my results.

Fingers crossed for good results...

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