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Old 08-01-2020, 07:51 AM
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I have 10/22 TD and a 10/22 standard 16.5" with factory composite barrel got the TD sighted to 3/4" with Fed 38gr copper coated HP 1265 advertised velocity and had to quit due to weather then few weeks later tried to zero the standard 16.5" with same ammo and WOW no two shots in same general area, I can't get it down to 3 foot target target board/ I've checked barrel wedge, Ruger scope mount on receiver, swapped out two Weaver scopes, a K4 and 40/44, 2 ring sets (non weaver) and now has Weaver rings on the Weaver 40/44 3.8-12x44 AO I had on a Savage in 204 that would do 1/4" groups at 100 yards to try today weather permitting.

Only thing I had not checked was Barrel Band on the gun, it was very tight and when I went to take it off stock it had apparently bent stock up about 1/8th inch and released it back off stock. It is still on but just tight enough to keep it from moving and checked the TD gun and it had loose band that could be moved w/o loosening the screw. Will see how things go looks now like next week thanks to weather.
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Old 08-01-2020, 08:43 AM
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I have 10/22 TD and a 10/22 standard 16.5" with factory composite barrel got the TD sighted to 3/4" with Fed 38gr copper coated HP 1265 advertised velocity and had to quit due to weather then few weeks later tried to zero the standard 16.5" with same ammo and WOW no two shots in same general area, I can't get it down to 3 foot target target board/ I've checked barrel wedge, Ruger scope mount on receiver, swapped out two Weaver scopes, a K4 and 40/44, 2 ring sets (non weaver) and now has Weaver rings on the Weaver 40/44 3.8-12x44 AO I had on a Savage in 204 that would do 1/4" groups at 100 yards to try today weather permitting.

Only thing I had not checked was Barrel Band on the gun, it was very tight and when I went to take it off stock it had apparently bent stock up about 1/8th inch and released it back off stock. It is still on but just tight enough to keep it from moving and checked the TD gun and it had loose band that could be moved w/o loosening the screw. Will see how things go looks now like next week thanks to weather.
"a 10/22 standard 16.5" with factory composite barrel"
I'm not aware of any of the models that use a composite (aluminum sleeved) barrel and a barrel band..perhaps you meant it has a composite (synthetic) stock?

and yeah the band is just another component of these rifles that has to be experimented with, as some shoot better with it, and some shoot better without it installed

on the ones that I find shoot better without it, I relieve the band for clearance where it goes over the barrel and then reinstall it..just because I like how they look with the band on there
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Old 08-01-2020, 05:25 PM
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Crackedcornish what is the best way to relieve the barrel band?
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Old 08-01-2020, 05:36 PM
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I just wrap a bit of sandpaper around a 3/8" deep well socket and go at it slowly 'til it fits
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Old 08-01-2020, 07:13 PM
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Thanks, that is what I had in mind.
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Old 08-02-2020, 07:00 AM
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"a 10/22 standard 16.5" with factory composite barrel"
I'm not aware of any of the models that use a composite (aluminum sleeved) barrel and a barrel band..perhaps you meant it has a composite (synthetic) stock?

and yeah the band is just another component of these rifles that has to be experimented with, as some shoot better with it, and some shoot better without it installed

on the ones that I find shoot better without it, I relieve the band for clearance where it goes over the barrel and then reinstall it..just because I like how they look with the band on there
Sorry about the confusion I thought they were all internally reinforced.

It's a black and gray digital synthetic stock, 50th anniversary model, I bought new 2018 IIRC, and I never got a chance to fire it before very serious health issues became an issue.

I will use blue Loctite to try to keep it just snug enough to keep from working off end of stock or will remove it if necessary.

If all else fails back to Ruger it goes.
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I just wrap a bit of sandpaper around a 3/8" deep well socket and go at it slowly 'til it fits
Are you saying you sand the stock or are you talking about the barrel band? I assume you're talking about the stock, but we all know what assume spells.
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Old 08-02-2020, 07:15 AM
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Forgot to mention both guns were factory suppressor ready and had same suppressor used both times. I could not see any difference in accuracy on either gun with or w/o suppressor. I also use this suppressor w/o any real noticeable accuracy changes, but I'm not that good of a shooter now days.
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Usually the method for relieving the barrel band is to use sandpaper around a socket and sand the inside of the barrel band at the top, the area where it touches the barrel. Objective is to have the band not touch the barrel. The thickness of a business card is usually sufficient clearance.
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Old 08-02-2020, 01:41 PM
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Are you saying you sand the stock or are you talking about the barrel band? I assume you're talking about the stock, but we all know what assume spells.
if the rifle groups better without the band in place, the band is what can mess with the harmonics of the barrel...so you would want to relieve the band so it doesn't touch the barrel any longer
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The TD had a band that was only snug and came out about half way and stopped as it snugged up on the synthetic stock, left that way it shot great except for the Walmart value pack Federal 36g from '07 or '08 and it never grouped below 3/4" and had 2" fliers about every 4 or 5 shots and out of 30 rounds fired 2 went 3" to 4" out. New CCI had no fliers and did about 1/2" group. The other camo synthetic standard 16.5" did about the same, I'll get a new set of Weaver mounts and put the Nikon 3-9x32 on it now.
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When it comes to topics like this... barrel band vs. accuracy...

People can spend HOURS in academic debates, and never prove anything.

OR

On their next trip to the range, they can print a few groups with and without the band... and see if there is any difference with THEIR gun.

There is no substitute for an actual test. It's truly that simple.
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When it comes to topics like this... barrel band vs. accuracy...

People can spend HOURS in academic debates, and never prove anything.

OR

On their next trip to the range, they can print a few groups with and without the band... and see if there is any difference with THEIR gun.

There is no substitute for an actual test. It's truly that simple.
Well, you just took all the fun out of an OLD argument!!!
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Crackedcornish what is the best way to relieve the barrel band?
"I just wrap a bit of sandpaper around a 3/8" deep well socket and go at it slowly 'til it fits "

That will work.. a Dremel and a barrel sander is quiker... or this is the way I do it.. PermaRelief ...


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How cool is that!!! As usual!
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