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Old 03-18-2006, 08:36 PM
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the proposed rules changes were e-mailed to past 3 yrs shooters at perry. don't know if anyone else can get on to see them i have no problem with either the current rules or the proposed rules.(because all my current rifles are ok either way) i would like a peep sight class( my 2002 perry rifle sits in the corner waiting to come out of retirement) i am a swm at home on a sat night on a rifle website. i have no life two types of shooters are pushing the rules. those that are looking for those few evassive points to meet a goal and those that think money can make up for lack of skill or practice. excuse me. three types. those that are contrary and just what something completely different

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Old 03-19-2006, 01:05 AM
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CMP and aperature sights

It seems that many of the specialists attracted to this board have lost touch with the real world.

This catagory is not for the specilists, tuners or tinkerers. The shooting world is filled to its nitches with specialists! This catagory is for the average Joe shooter or the kid down the road.

99.44% of the .22 rifles sold over the counter in the U.S. fall into the rules as stated for the O class.

The only modification that is ever made to most of them is addition of a cheap scope, that would place them in the T class.

Peep sights occur on perhaps 1 out of 1000 sporter rifles sold over the counter.

Most of these rifles will suspend their own weight from the trigger without firing.

The established rules are very realistic. Be happy you have them. At least they are in print and known nationwide.

I shoot muzzleloaders in competition and each club sets its own rules. I often must carry 4 guns to each match to insure that somethig I own will meet the specific rules of each club. The rules from CMP are very realistic, understandable and easy to apply.
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Old 03-19-2006, 07:57 AM
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well stated
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Old 03-19-2006, 09:48 AM
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It seems that many of the specialists attracted to this board have lost touch with the real world.

This catagory is not for the specilists, tuners or tinkerers. The shooting world is filled to its nitches with specialists! This catagory is for the average Joe shooter or the kid down the road.

99.44% of the .22 rifles sold over the counter in the U.S. fall into the rules as stated for the O class.

The only modification that is ever made to most of them is addition of a cheap scope, that would place them in the T class.

Peep sights occur on perhaps 1 out of 1000 sporter rifles sold over the counter.

Most of these rifles will suspend their own weight from the trigger without firing.

The established rules are very realistic. Be happy you have them. At least they are in print and known nationwide.

I shoot muzzleloaders in competition and each club sets its own rules. I often must carry 4 guns to each match to insure that somethig I own will meet the specific rules of each club. The rules from CMP are very realistic, understandable and easy to apply.
"The only modification that is ever made to most of them is addition of a cheap scope, that would place them in the T class.

Peep sights occur on perhaps 1 out of 1000 sporter rifles sold over the counter.

Most of these rifles will suspend their own weight from the trigger without firing." The scope is because the rifles are not stocked for actually using the iron sights if they have them and the people who shoot these rifles with triggers that will suspend the weight of the rifle never learn to shoot well since the equipment works against them.

While I consider myself to have lost touch with the real world by your standards, I think that anyone who shoots consistently and especially anyone who shoots competitively reaches a point where they evaluate their rifle against their shooting abilities and the shooting format they participate in.
I don't know of many people who would disagree with the statement that a trigger job will enhance a shooters accuracy. Maybe you can shoot just as well with a single trigger as you can with a double set trigger and perhaps you don't worry about the top flat on your rear sight or the angle of the notch. The rate of twist and depth of your rifling relative to the caliber and projectile you are shooting are also things that you consider unless you don't intend to be competitive.
A little thing like palm swell on a rifle can better position the hand to enhance your trigger pull, reducing the effect of arcing trigger pull which tends to cause canting.
Personally, I shoot apertures because I always liked shooting iron sights over scopes, but I'm pushing 60 and my eyes don't focus like they used to. I would definitely call that tweaking and my shooting improved immediately when I started using apertures. It's kind of hard to suggest to me that any amount of skill or practice can overcome not being able to get a clear sight picture. Like Dwight, I don't care what the person next to me is shooting or how well he shoots. My only focus is on my performance and I don't want my equipment making the job more difficult. There comes a point in any competitive arena where you start working smarter and not harder. I appreciate what the CMP is doing with sporter rifle competition, but I suspect that having an event based completely on novice shooters and unaltered equipment is unfriendly to the learning curve.
Hey Fuzzy, I jumped 24 points in ohd at my last match. Thanks for your mantra. It changed my perspective. It didn't hurt to be using a front aperture either.

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Old 03-22-2006, 08:15 AM
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In the 1880's Jigoro Kano took all of the "dangerous" techniques out of jui jitsu and what he had left was a competitive sport he dubbed Judo. Dr. Kano felt that it would be unfair
to have a newbie compete against someone who had more experience so he came up with the first belt ranking system.
I'm not advocating colored belts or colored rifle slings, but I do think the idea of novice class is a good one and could prevent a new competitor from getting Creasy queasy.
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Old 03-22-2006, 10:23 PM
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The feeling a competitor gets when shooting against Danny. Sort of like Knight fright.
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Try it, did you like it?

How about each of you trying out your different ideas for the rules in the coming season. Shoot the game twice if you like on the designated day of competition. Once using the current rules and once using the rules as you would like to see them. Then post the scores and the number of shooters.
A true outcome study. Did these things really make a difference? Since the CMP is monitoring this forum, it would be good data to use to help sway the decisions made. Provide good hard evidence for your arguments and see how the judging goes.
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An excellent thought sir
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I'm a 4-H coach and volunteer.

I like all the rules as they are ... except for the dropping into position for RF, and I'm pretty amazed that this rule has not changed when you consider the hoops that the JROTC programs have had to jump thru in the past two years.

Yes, I teach my kids to drop into position, but we start off firing a RF match with our air rifles. There is no way I'd allow some of the kids to shoot a target without this practice.

I like the 7.5 lb limit, I don't really like the 3 lb trigger pull, but this really makes a huge difference in the scores bu telling who has practiced with the gun and who has not. We shoot a lot of 10/22's and I like them because we can easily change the hammers out for silhouette and CMP events as needed.

My >>personal<< preference would be to shoot rapid fire starting in position and knock off 5 seconds of the time. That's about what I see my kids take to drop and rack the bolt closed.

I had emailed Gary a few months ago and I like his explanation on the barrel type. Sporter or Bull OK as long as the gun meets weight. A composite or fluted kinda puts a kink in the explanationand I hope they stick with not allowing them.

This should stay an event where you can pull your "old" 22 out of the closet and be competitive.
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Old 04-14-2006, 09:15 PM
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aperature sights

while at perry last weekend i did pigeon hole garry anderson and told him i would have shot three times this summer at rimfire sporter if a peep sight class exited as i had a rifle in retirement that would reappear. he did seem interested for 2007. just keep trying
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Old 04-15-2006, 03:36 PM
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While I consider myself to have lost touch with the real world by your standards, I think that anyone who shoots consistently and especially anyone who shoots competitively reaches a point where they evaluate their rifle against their shooting abilities and the shooting format they participate in.
Hey Mom, can I have a $1,500 Annie for Christmas!!! Please...please ...please!!!

Guess what dear, I just spent the next two months grocery bill on a rimfire sporter! Gee whiz Honey, I have to keep up to be competitive!

Rimfire sporter was invisioned as shooting for the masses. Contests where you could pull Grandads .22 out of the closet and go shoot a match. Shooting for folks that have responsibilities beyond feeding their rimfire habit. If you want to spend more then pick another gatagory. Like I said before, the shooting world is full of expensive nitches.

Kids are not growing up plinking at cans down at the creek any more. They are growing up thinking shooting is killing cops on a vidio screen. We'd better develop a part of this sport that is cheaper than a "play station" so we can get some kids involved with the positive aspects of shooting!

The rimfire Sporter rules and equipment should both remain simple.
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