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Old 03-28-2019, 11:16 AM
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Win 52 Pre-A w/tang sight. Opinions? Value?



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I've recently come across a Win 52 pre-A with a tang sight, with SN ~15XXX, so dated to ~1928 (see photos). I've never seen a tang sight before on a 52, but it does result in a nicely increased sight radius.

The sight is very nicely inletted into the stock; could this have been a factory option, or is this definitely an after-market modification?

I'm aware that the pre-A's have the "crack of doom" issue, but I didn't see any indication of this upon cursory examination.

Any comments are appreciated, as well as to opinions as to fair value.

Thanks!
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Old 03-28-2019, 02:24 PM
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The addition of the sight means the stock had to be drilled so it's been altered and thus decreases the collector value. Another thing to consider is whether is has the COD (crack of doom)
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Old 03-28-2019, 04:36 PM
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Dokey, thanks for the input. Yes, it's clear the stock has been drilled (and inletted) for this tang sight, and yes, one has to be careful of CoD on pre-A's.

After a bit more research, it seems possible that the tang sight is a Lyman 103 Windgage (or "Wind Gauge"?) sight (having both windage & elevation adjustment), produced 1916-1955. These were made for the Win 52, with base code "WF". I haven't removed this one from the stock, so can't verify (yet) that that's what it is.
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:46 PM
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Too many XX's for me to evaluate. Big Larry
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:56 PM
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That sure seems to be a nice looking early 52. I am not sure if Winchester would have installed that Lyman sight or not, but it is certainly worth doing some more research on. Back in the day firearm manufacturers would do almost anything for a customer including some really odd things. While it is true the addition of the sight may have an impact on the collector side of the house, I certainly wouldn't hold it against the rifle if it was a professional looking job and more importantly, is the sight marked for the Model 52. I have owned a few old Marlins and Winchester lever rifles with tang mounted sights and the value of the base rifle wasn't hurt at all as long as it was a correct sight and the install was proper.

On another note, I have personally never seen a tang sight mounted on a Model 52 so it is very intriguing to me. "IF" you can get the sight off and check for the proper code it would make all the difference in the world to me. While the COD is of concern it can be a bargaining chip in price negotiations. Look close for the COD and take a good look at the interior of the barrel. Value will be all dependent on if the COD is present and barrel condition. One question though, does the back of the bolt contact the tang sight when you pull the bolt to the rear?


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Old 03-29-2019, 07:03 AM
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Tang sight



I have only seen two pictures of Winchester 52 with Tang sights. Both rifle were undoubtedly custom jobs. One appears in Houze's "Winchester 52 " book and is identified as a custom rifle. I do have a Lyman 103 tang sight marked WF.



It came to via a Remington Hepburn Match Grade B in 3855. The sight has been replaced with the correct Hepburn sight.
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Old 03-29-2019, 08:07 AM
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The tang sight is going to have some value in and of itself. I don't think that is a common sight, and collectors might put a premium on it. Maybe.
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Most likely they will only put a premium on it when they are selling. If they are buying, it's the end of the world and totally kills the value... You know how that goes.
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Still too many X's for me. I'll bet, even the Gun Police, do not have an answer on this one. Big Larry
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Old 08-16-2019, 04:35 PM
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Value is a very relative term. Always best to start with what they are asking for it.
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Old 08-16-2019, 05:54 PM
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I'll believe the tang sight's an aftermarket item until a Cody Letter on the gun proves otherwise.


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Old 08-16-2019, 06:15 PM
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By design Win 52's were never to have tang sights, which by description were intended to be mounted on tangs
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Old 08-18-2019, 10:54 AM
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It turns out that this particular gun is not new to RFC.

It previously belonged to now deceased RFC member L84GLF, and is SN 15617. Sorry Big Larry, for not posting the SN at the time, but the Keller, TX gun shop where I found it explicitly asked me not to, and as I was in serious negotiation to make a purchase (a different gun) from them, I respected their wishes.

Here are a couple earlier posts regarding the gun, and an additional photo:

July 2009
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...d.php?t=291784

April 2017 (with photo)
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...d.php?t=899194

I never got to look at the underside of the tang sight for the code stamp, but while the installation was indeed excellent, it didn't fit quite right (curvature of stock didn't quite match base of sight), so I think it's very possible that the sight, although a very nice Lyman 103, was not code WF.

As of about 4 months ago, the rifle was still for sale.
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Old 08-18-2019, 12:47 PM
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Someone has stripped that stock too, it's too light. But the sight is a collectible Lyman 103, from what I can see. $300 sight, or more.
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Old 08-18-2019, 06:13 PM
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Correctamundo. The M103 sight was an option for the Winchester M52. Even the special order rifle they made for world champion Major John Hessions custom M52 Sporter appears to have one mounted into the stock, although in a different location than the OP's rifle. Picture is shown on page 94 in Houzes book.
I think I would buy this M52 in a heartbeat if I were still collecting M52's. It's a nice looking rifle. Also, one must check for COD.
I have a 1916 vintage M1894 in 38-55 with a M103 sight. That is the first year they came out. It was the most expensive of all the tang sights amd may well have been the best. Today, depending on condition, they can go for $700 +. Big Larry
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