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Old 07-18-2019, 05:49 PM
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I'm sure most of you know the 6.5 Grendel story: designed by Alexander Arms to be used within the physical confines/restrictions of the original unmodified AR size platform, and take advantage of the very high BC, efficient 6.5 caliber bullets, specifically for NRA across the course and long range National Match type shooting. It has been proven in that area, has gained a well earned reputation for hunting medium size game, and has been around long enough now, that it isn't going anywhere. When used in a long throated bolt action rifle, where bullets can be seated out longer than when restricted to a short magazine OAL, it can be handloaded to even higher potential. It can easily remain supersonic to over 1200 yards, with the right bullets. True the 6.5 Creedmoor has increased powder capacity and higher ultimate potential, but with greater recoil and noticeably shorter accurate barrel life. The Creedmoor is very popular right now, rightfully so, but the Grendel is the better, more efficient cartridge, because in practical, real world terms, the two are identical for 95% of shooters, with the Grendel being even lower recoiling and easier to shoot well than the Creedmoor. Just my opinion.

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Old 07-18-2019, 06:06 PM
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I dont buy the virtually identical argument. And I dont know that the 527 has more room than an AR magazine. It might. I do agree, it should be a dandy deer rifle.

I guess you can always say anything smaller is more efficient. The 22LR is more efficient than the 223. There is always, always a diminishing return.

The nice thing about the 6.5G is it fits in the 527 and was loaded for carbine length barrels. Why wont CZ make a carbine? I could get myself banned real easy. I better say no more.

If I ever join a club with 1000 yard range, that is not even in my top 3 choices. Not even one of my top 3 of the 6.5mm.

I love to argue, I hope it ok. I also like the Grendel. There is no need to exaggerate. Sometime just right is perfect. And sure dont need 24" barrels for an AR round. Not for a just right rifle.
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Old 07-18-2019, 09:36 PM
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I'm not a professional, but I would say 24 is the sweet spot for this rifles intention as cartridges are load tested with specific barrel lengths, that's what I see in loading manuals, but if you would like shorter, I would say cut it down to where ever you like, keep it legal or dont tell
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:49 AM
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Fourbore, no argument at all...I agree the Creedmoor definitely has higher velocity and shoots flatter at extended range, particularly out past 600 yards, especially with the heaviest bullet weights. But vast majority of shooters will never use it past 400 yards, if that, and with 123-130 grain bullets (very common hunting, varmint and match target weights) the velocity difference between Grendel VS. Creedmoor becomes smaller.....that's what I meant by saying in practical use, for 95% of shooters, the two are identical. As well as AR platforms, while developing the cartridge, Mr. Bill Alexander and Arne Brennan used several long throated, bolt actioned "space gun" match rifles, with long 28" barrels, to get higher velocities for match shooting than are possible in any normal AR style format. No denying that the Grendel is noticeably milder to shoot with equal weight bullets, which means most people tend to shoot them more accurately. Agree with you that it is not the best application for a 1000 yard specific rifle, though it can be used effectively and accurately at that distance. And I also agree the cartridge is a great fit in the CZ 527. So, there is no argument at all.

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Old 07-19-2019, 03:41 AM
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I think the 6.5 Grendel is established well enough that it will be around for a while. Ruger, Howa, CZ and others are selling bolt guns in that caliber. Many barrelmakers are selling barrels.

I'm glad as I built an AR Hog rifle about 18 months ago.
Love the cartridge, really well designed and accurate. Hits hard with a wide range of efficient and effective bullets. Not expensive to reload.

I don't know why people insist on comparing it to 6.5CM, they're not the same. I think the Grendel is the best AR-15 cartridge there is, period, but when I bought bolt guns I bought 6.5CM and 260 Rem for targets at longer ranges.
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Old 07-19-2019, 06:12 AM
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Three posts in a row and we all agree! Usually you cannot get three gun nuts to agree on the day of the week. Then, the 6.5 Grendel gets a solid

(oops I missed the 24" barrel post, OK. Not 3 in a row. Maybe I could cut and crown a bbl. I am a little hesistant. I do all my own work. Maybe...)

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Fourbore, no argument at all...I agree the Creedmoor definitely has higher velocity and shoots flatter at extended range, particularly out past 600 yards, especially with the heaviest bullet weights. But vast majority of shooters will never use it past 400 yards, if that, and with 123-130 grain bullets (very common hunting, varmint and match target weights) the velocity difference between Grendel VS. Creedmoor becomes smaller.....that's what I meant by saying in practical use, for 95% of shooters, the two are identical.
This is exactly why the Grendel appeals to me.
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This is exactly why the Grendel appeals to me.
if I wanted something to rock the house there is plenty out there...the Grendel for me would be perfect in a 527 FS if they ever made one. That is why I looked at getting one...time will tell.

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Old 07-21-2019, 02:37 AM
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ChangFest, same with me. And if you want to up the speed for devastating pests/varmints, you can go down to a 90 grain bullet.

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