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Old 06-22-2019, 09:29 PM
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Buddy gave me a free mosin-nagant, that has sat around for years neglected. the outside isn't too bad, and cleaned up nice, but the bore is fairly well rusted. i have been using Bronze brushes, along with nylon brushes using both break-free, as well as Wipeout Patch-out bore cleaner. I am also occasionally using JB Bore compound, and the bore is getting much smoother. I will continue tomorrow cleaning the bore.

I think this is an early version, before they called them the 1891/30 version. It has a date of 1895, and has the Konovalov rear sight, as well as sling swivels, and leather sling. it also had the Hexagonal receiver. The bolt is very smooth, and locks up tight.

I will post photos tomorrow, and I'm hoping this bore will be salvageable. let me know any tips on saving the bore, or any other info.

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Old 06-22-2019, 10:06 PM
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Best thing to do is post some full length pics and ones of the top of the chamber markings. Mosins are great rifles and underrated. They aren't cheepies anymore. Standard ones in good condition are 200 or so and other models can go into the 5-600 range or more. Get some pics.
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Old 06-22-2019, 10:48 PM
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I have a round receiver 91/30. I spend so much time trying to get a Sweets 7.62 soaked patch to come out "not-green" I was beginning to thing the entire bore was made of copper.

It's common for older mil-surp rifles to have dark or pitted bores. Corrosive primers and poor battlefield maintenance were the culprits. If you have consistent lands and grooves visible it will probably shoot okay. You might slug the bore to get the actual diameter. Generally Mosins run in the .311 range. Although, even new there was a pretty wide variance. My suggestion would be to shoot cast bullets sized to your bore dimension.

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Old 06-23-2019, 03:28 AM
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Yes pictures would be nice. Yes it sound like you got a 1891. So it could be made in France or the USA even.. was it counterbored,? Take a round and drop it into the muzzel, if it was counter bored the bullet will drop in t8ll the casing edge hits the muzzel. It means that at some point the gun was arsenal refurbished. They are fun, and some are good shooters.

You got a nice buddy. Have fun , and relax abot thebore, if it shoots it shoots. Thatís about as good as they get..
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Old 06-23-2019, 07:56 AM
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Agreed it started life as an 1891, could be a dragoon, could be a Finnish capture. Only pictures will tell the story. Toomany22s is spot on about the muzzle, if it has been counterbored don't count it out. Look at the receiver and if there is an SA in a box, it's a Finn rework. The could also be a 41 stamped as well, but those are a bit more rare. Also, if you can't get a picture of the rifle, measure the barrel from the front of the receiver and tell us the length. We'll be able to figure out if it's a dragoon, a 91 or a 91 reworked to a 91/30. Enjoy the rifle!
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:42 AM
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Overall length is 51.5 inches

From front of Hexagonal section to the muzzle, is 30.5 inches.

From front of ejection port to muzzle, is 32.5 inches.






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Old 06-23-2019, 11:44 AM
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Anybody know if this Tula made? I've looked on line, but the markings seem to be ambiguous.
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:59 AM
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Well there is this

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Old 06-23-2019, 01:47 PM
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That one is a Tula.

It's definitely an 1891 - not the later 91/30

It's a Finnish capture - it has some finn markings on it in the pix.

Overall a very nice rifle - shame about the bore.

A very famous writer once penned that far more rifles were destroyed by civilians in peace time than by soldiers...
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Old 06-23-2019, 05:53 PM
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After cleaning- and bore not to bad. shoot shoot and clean clean then shoot some more . It will be what it is ..
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:18 PM
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I have a round receiver 91/30. I spend so much time trying to get a Sweets 7.62 soaked patch to come out "not-green" I was beginning to thing the entire bore was made of copper.

It's common for older mil-surp rifles to have dark or pitted bores. Corrosive primers and poor battlefield maintenance were the culprits. If you have consistent lands and grooves visible it will probably shoot okay. You might slug the bore to get the actual diameter. Generally Mosins run in the .311 range. Although, even new there was a pretty wide variance. My suggestion would be to shoot cast bullets sized to your bore dimension.

Hector
I have one with a worn barrel that this works with. After you get it clean you can slug the barrel and see what size you are looking at.
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Old 06-23-2019, 07:12 PM
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Just got home, thanks for the replies. I did get a little time to re-apply JB Bore compound, along with Wipeout bore cleaner. It is definitely getting smoother, and just might be salvageable. i will need to get some 7.62X54 ammo, so that i can stick a bullet into the muzzle, and see how big it is, also, I will slug the bore soon.
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:35 PM
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The Finnish capture is important because they re-barreled some of them to .308. Shooting .311 slugs through it would be bad medicine. All the more reason to slug the bore.

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The Finnish capture is important because they re-barreled some of them to .308. Shooting .311 slugs through it would be bad medicine. All the more reason to slug the bore.

Hector
That's good to know; I will make sure to slug it for peace of mind.
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:07 AM
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Very nice Finn capture M91! Being that it originated as a Russian rifle and thatís the original barrel no worries about the bore diameter. The .308 bores were in the M27, 28 variants.


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