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Old 06-18-2019, 03:09 PM
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Newly inherited Sport King



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Hey All!

I am new to firearms and just inherited a Sport king that belonged to my father.

The pistol looks like it has hardly been fired.
I can't seem to find too much information on the gun. I went to Histandard.info and there are a bunch of manuals there, but none of the parts breakdowns look quite like mine. I am assuming this is a model 101 and maybe made around 1952?

If anyone can give me some history on this firearm I would appreciate it





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Old 06-18-2019, 03:57 PM
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What you have there pre-dates the 101 series of High Standards.
Your gun is from what collectors now call the "Lever Name" series, because the barrel removes by unlatching the small lever, and the guns now all had names, ranging from Sport King, Flite King, Field King, Supermatic, and Olympic.
I'm gathering there had been some meeting in 1950 where the High Standard board were told they had to get with the times and no longer label their guns by letters (B, D, E, etc).
So your gun is among the first to be called "Sport King" (replacing the earlier B, and A models).
And yes, the "Lever Name" series were made from 1950 to 1954, after which High Standard brought out the button release frame 100 series.
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Old 06-18-2019, 05:06 PM
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I can't add much to Ontarian50's comments other than to say that you have inherited a very nice High Standard pistol.
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Old 06-19-2019, 04:44 PM
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Well, I just got back from the range. I had a lot of misfeed issues.
I cleaned and oiled the pistol earlier in the week and it seems like it's functioning smoothly... but then I am a novice at this.

I started out with CCI Standard Velocity rounds and got a misfeed after about 3 rounds. I switched to Winchester Hollow Points and got the same thing on the 2nd shot. I also tried a third round from my buddy at the range, but I forgot the brand. It looked just like the CCI.

The bullet is hitting the top of the barrel, missing the hole by about 1/2 the diameter of the bullet. When the slide slams into the casing it almost bends the bullet in half!

Like I said, I am new to this so I am hoping someone has seen this before and can point me in the right direction.

Sorry about the fuzzy pictures, my phone was struggling to focus on the bullets. You can see the bite mark in the brass tipped Hollow Point, right in the middle.

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Old 06-19-2019, 05:21 PM
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There will be some forum members who are Hi Standard enthusiasts that will offer some advice. My guess is that the magazine will need some adjusting.
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Old 06-19-2019, 06:24 PM
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Your feeding problems are surely caused by your out of adjustment magazine lips. This is a common problem with Hi Standard pistols that can be easily remedied. There is a tool that allows you to properly adjust your magazines. They are available from a seller on EBay. It will come with instructions.
Your High Standard pistol should not be fired with any ammunition other than standard velocity (1070 FPS). Most folks here will suggest that you fire CCI standard velocity only due to the possibility of a frame crack.
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:37 PM
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The first thing to do is post closeup pictures of the magazine so we can identify the magazine.
Right side, left side, top, bottom.
Because, if you have a third party magazine, it may be impossible for the magazine to ever feed reliably.
Need to know the color and composition of the follower.
Is anything stamped on the base of the magazine.
Your problem most certainty is that you have a “lazy magazine”.

I suggest that you do not adjust the lips.
You will just make things worst.
There are numerous High Standard magazines out there that are badly screwed up because people mindlessly adjusted the lips when there was nothing wrong with the lips.

I suggest you read “Mags, mags, mags” on page 19 of the High Standard section of this forum.

If the gun/magazine worked when your father owned the gun, there is a good chance you can get it to work by giving the gun and magazine a thorough cleaning.

Concerning the magazine, I suggest that you disassemble it, inspect it components, and give it a thorough cleaning.
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Old 06-20-2019, 06:44 AM
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These High Standard guns rely heavily on the shape of the magazine lips to correctly feed ammo because there is virtually no feed ramp in the frame that helps in that task. That is, the cartridge has to leave the magazine perfectly and enter the chamber on center. If the lips are not adjusted correctly then the bullet hits the chamber edge and either mars the bullet or flat crumples the cartridge like in the pictures. Even the marred bullet is bad as the distorted bullet surface may not let the bullet fully seat in the tight chamber and cause the slide to not fully close. That leads to a misfire.

Mags can be adjusted but it can be fiddly work. There are lip spacing dimensions that are a good starting point. But to avoid frustration it may be better to just buy a new magazine. DO NOT buy gun show after market magazines. A good approach is to contact Alan Aronstein at interarmstx.com and get his newly manufactured magazines for your gun. The lips are hardened to keep the tune These mags have been developed by Alan over several decades while he ran High Standard Company of Houston Texas. They come highly recommended by posters here.

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Old 06-20-2019, 09:44 AM
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Thank you all for the help!
I did some Googling last night and came across the instructions for clip tang adjustment. I was going to go ahead and give it a go, but I will hold off for further identification.
I don't see any identification or markings on the magazine.

For a bit of history, my Grandfather owned this gun. He passed away in about 1992 and my father inherited the pistol from him. My father never shot the gun. The pistol was stored in a leather holster in a night table. The magazine was kept loaded in a dresser.
I removed the barrel and slide, cleaned and oiled the gun. I did NOT oil the magazine because I read somewhere not to. Loading bullets was a little tricky as they would hang up a bit and I had to shake the magazine to get them to drop down. I can "thumb eject" them just fine, the spring still has decent tension.
FWIW I tried only loading 5 rounds at one point and the pistol cycled all 5. I loaded in 10 rounds right after and it misfed on the 2nd shot.

BTW, just how dangerous is a misfeed like that? Can the bullet be discharged in the breech like that?




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Old 06-20-2019, 11:20 AM
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As noted by SGVictor ... "Factory advertisements call the Sport King the replacement for the Model B"

That may be so, but as there was no G-A model produced by High Standard, (which going by the earlier A and H-A designs, it would use the B barrel, but with the longer grip frame of the D), it was likely simpler to refer to the B version as what the Sport King was replacing. They would presumably have planned a G-A model, but as that lineup was short-lived, it never happened.
However, my point is that the Sport King is actually more a replacement for the A series, as it has the longer grip frame - so it really represents a merging of the B and A models, as they weren't going with the shorter grip style any more.
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Old 06-20-2019, 01:34 PM
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Thanks guys!

I will give the magazine a good cleaning. I don't have any kerosene... I have mineral spirits, acetone, brake cleaner, carburetor cleaner and the Hoppes Gun Cleaner. I don't think acetone is a good idea, but the mineral spirits are kind of like Kerosene.

I found this document which implies the lips should be parallel:
http://ashevillerifleandpistolclub.o...2-107-PTS1.pdf

The kicker lips on my magazine are not parallel.
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Old 06-20-2019, 01:54 PM
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different style magazines

The magazine in your pistol is called the finger style, whereas the magazine shown in the article you cited is called the lip style. That adjustment process does not directly apply to your magazine. Your magazine has rear feed lips, then a pair of fingers, and then the "kicker" lips. The newer style lip magazine only had the rear feed lips and the front kicker lips. The fingers are not intended to be parallel on the older style magazines. The metal on these older style magazines is thinner than on the later style, and overzealous adjustment attempts can cause permanent damage to the magazine. If it were my magazine, I would only attempt to adjust the rear feed lips, and then only carefully and a little at a time. Use a dial caliper to measure the gap between the lips before and after adjustment. Less gap makes the cartridge feed lower into the chamber.

Perform a good cleaning of the magazine and try it again before doing any adjustments.

Last edited by HSWayne; 06-20-2019 at 02:08 PM. Reason: add info
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:05 PM
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Gotcha.

I will get the magazine cleaned and oiled.
It will be a week or two before I go to the range again, but I will post here when I do.

Thanks again!!!
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Old 06-20-2019, 03:14 PM
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You have what is called a “finger magazine”.
It has 3 pairs of lips.
2 rear lips.
2 front lips
2 middle lips of which are called the fingers.

The modern magazines are called “rolled lips”.
They have:
2 rear lips.
2 front lips.

The finger magazine needs a full feed ramp from the magazine to the chamber for them to work.

You can largely disregard the post “Mags, mags, mags” I referenced before.
It describes how to deal with roll lipped magazines.

The finger magazines are a horse of a different color.
They operate on a completely different theory.

It would be helpful if you could take another picture to confirm your gun has a full loading ramp.

With the slide off and the barrel and the magazine in-place, take a picture from above at an angle of about 45 degrees showing the front of the magazine, the loading ramp, and the chamber.
Take another picture from the side showing the feeding ramp.

There is essentially no information available on how to deal with a problem finger magazine.
In general, this is how they work:

The cartridge is pushed forward and slides on the feed ramp into the chamber.
The fingers are to restrict the movement of the cartridge so that the cartridge doesn't pop up into the air.
If the fingers are too close together they will slow down the movement of the slide/cartridge and the loading of the cartridge will stop.
If the fingers are too far apart, the movement of the cartridge will not be controlled and will pop up and feed high.

I know of no published data that says what the spacing between the fingers should be.
I would say a spacing of .20 inches is about correct.

The problem with adjusting the fingers is that they can snap off when adjusting them.
Therefore, you should not try to adjust them unless you are certain everything else is correct.

I think your best bet for now is to clean everything as best you can.
If that doesn't solve your problem, clean everything again.

Take the magazine apart:
The top coil of the spring must be installed parallel to the slope of the top of the magazine.
The spring must be straight.
Not bent or corkscrewed.
Not rusted.
Need pictures of the spring.
Especially of the top of the spring looking down.

Need picture of the bottom of the magazine follower looking up at it and from the side.

If you decide to get another magazine, do not get another finger magazine.
Get a rolled lip magazine.
They are a superior magazine and are easier to deal with if it has a problem.
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Old 06-21-2019, 04:27 PM
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I hear ya on the Kerosene, but the parts soaking in Mineral Spirits already.
I will blow the part off with compressed air to remove the mineral spirits and coat the magazine in some light gun oil, assuming it looks nice and shiny out of the bath.

I did not see a way to disassemble the magazine without potentially bending/breaking something so the whole things sitting in the bath.
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