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Old 05-09-2019, 10:09 AM
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Found this older article on 22 WMR accuracy testing, with 3 rifles, at 50 yards. Only 40 and 50 gr loads but interesting results. Guess I should be happy with averaging 3/4" 5X groups at 50 yards with my Cooper 57M Classic and Rem 547C, and newer ammo.
https://www.gun-tests.com/issues/10_...l#.XNQ--WfCHT4

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Old 05-09-2019, 12:42 PM
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Try some Hornady V-max 30 grs. I have gotten sub m.o.a. at 100 yards with 3 different rifles. I hope they NEVER label it as "match ammo" as that would only double the price.
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:16 PM
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Iíve had my best luck with 40 gr. CCI HP in my Anschutz rifles (164M, 141M & 1720) which will shoot sub MOA if I do my part.

My Remington 597 will shoot 1 Ĺ MOA with Federal 50 gr HP.

Thatís good enough for me.
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Old 05-09-2019, 03:23 PM
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Try some Hornady V-max 30 grs. I have gotten sub m.o.a. at 100 yards with 3 different rifles. I hope they NEVER label it as "match ammo" as that would only double the price.
Same here. I've got the FVSS Savage (which the article didn't seem to like) and with the Hornady I've had the odd sub 1" group at 100y with a pretty consistent 1.25MOA average. Hits anything I need to hit.
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Old 05-09-2019, 05:38 PM
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Hmmmm, should I?

Naw, I'll leave it alone.

Still, I suppose I could ask to see all 50 shots on one target, not just the best of.

Better not, if I did, it'd be like last time...no one would offer any results, except me.

I know, I'm a baaaaaaaad boy.

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Old 05-09-2019, 06:20 PM
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The biggest variance in groups is not the gun or ammo, it is the clown pulling the trigger. Could be as simple as his ability to read the wind.
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Old 05-09-2019, 06:40 PM
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Ummmmmmm, no...in this case, what he's obtaining is due to ammunition quality,
more specifically the lack of. I've been testing every brand of 22wmr available.
Results show ES at about 200 fps and wild strays due to cartridge defects being a regular occurrence.
22wmr is manufactured for use as close range hunting ammo.
Center of chest out to 75 yards for small critters.
Expecting more than that will lead to disappointment.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:19 PM
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Ummmmmmm, no...in this case, what he's obtaining is due to ammunition quality,
more specifically the lack of. I've been testing every brand of 22wmr available.
Results show ES at about 200 fps and wild strays due to cartridge defects being a regular occurrence.
22wmr is manufactured for use as close range hunting ammo.
Center of chest out to 75 yards for small critters.
Expecting more than that will lead to disappointment.
I strongly disagree with you. My own personal experience backs me up. As accuracy goes, the other loadings fail in comparison to the Hornadys. Paper groups at 100 yards 1/2 to 3/4 inch groups depending on the rifle used. Last year prairie dog kills at 140 yards.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:25 PM
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Question for you...who manufactures 22wmr ammunition here in the U.S.?

Not sells...manufactures.

Hint, only two names on the list.

The rest of the U.S. brands are just relabeled boxes of cartridges made by those two companies.

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Old 05-09-2019, 08:50 PM
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Still, I suppose I could ask to see all 50 shots on one target, not just the best of.
In my opinion, anyone who needs to send that many rounds downrange to determine the accuracy of any ammo is either lacking in equipment or technique or both.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:59 PM
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Tee hee...folks who only shoot 10 shots and claim all day long make me giggle too.

50 shots in a typical box of 22wmr.
Sooner or later y'er gonna shoot the entire box.
Aren't you curious as to how that will work out? I am.
Most definitely not going to base an opinion on less than 50 shots.
The rifle may be capable, but as in testing 22lr for the best lots
you don't make a purchase based on 10 shots.
I don't test ammo without at least 50, preferably 100 shots sent.
I require a decent sized sample to determine ammo quality.

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Old 05-09-2019, 09:03 PM
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Question for you...who manufactures 22wmr ammunition here in the U.S.?

Not sells...manufactures.

Hint, only two names on the list.

The rest of the U.S. brands are just relabeled boxes of cartridges made by those two companies.
Hint --- it doesn't matter who manufactures it, it to what specs are they manufacturing it to. A long time ago, J.C. Penny's power tools were manufactured by Skilsaw. But Penny's tools were of better quality. I know, I worked there. Many products are produced by one maker. But they are made to different speca and quality. When Beretta had a problem with their locking blocks cracking, they went to Ruger to have them made. Colt Mustang slides were also made by Ruger as many other companies' parts.
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Mongo, be an annoying consumer.
Contact CCI and ask them how they manufacture all the brands they do.
I have. Guess what. CCI provides the components, changes the head stamps
and puts matching labels on the boxes. Brass, powder, primer, bullets from CCI.
The head stamps and the labels and tip colors are the only differences.
Call, ask, don't take my word for it. Learn for yourself just as I did.

https://www.cci-ammunition.com/general/contact_us.aspx

Ask specifically what the differences are.
You may have to get past the phone clerks to talk to one of the senior staff
in order to get the complete answer. Took me 4 different people to reach someone with full knowledge.
I'm very good at being an annoying consumer.


Last time the accuracy of the 22 wmr came up, the 50 at 100 challenge was established.
Here's the link...

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum....php?t=1137341

I don't mind being proven wrong.
It's possible you put y'er hands on a great batch of CCI ammo.
I'd like to see just how good it is.
Going for accuracy here, not just individual group sizes.
Try to hit center.... I did, every time. No joy, cr*ppy ammo.

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Old 05-09-2019, 09:35 PM
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Results show ES at about 200 fps and wild strays due to cartridge defects being a regular occurrence.
I donít get wild strays when I shoot. I must be doing something wrong.

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Tee hee...folks who only shoot 10 shots and claim all day long make me giggle too.
What kind of rifle are you shooting that produces wild strays and requires shooting a half case of ammo to determine its accuracy? Iíd like to know so I can giggle too.
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Old 05-09-2019, 09:42 PM
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22 WMR accuracy...........

It probably has more to do with the rifle than the cartridge. I have fired several WMR chambered rifles and revolvers that were mediocre at best. However, I have a Winchester 1885 Lo Wall in .22 mag that will do sub 1/2 moa at 100 yds if I do my part. The rifle has a 24x scope that has enough magnification to let the shooter see the bullet strike even at 100 yds. The rifle also has the Winchester single set trigger that drops the trigger pull from about 3 lbs down to a few ounces!
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