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Old 12-23-2008, 07:00 PM
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22LR at 200 Yards - Grouping Test



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Well, I had some time this morning and decided to test the 22LR and see what kind of grouping was possible at 200 yards.

We've been shooting at that distance during our tactical precision 22LR matches but it was on metal targets so it was difficult to evaluate what can be achieved.

I took my usual rifle (MarkII BTVS with a 10X Bushnell tactical) and SK Standard Plus ammo (same as Wolf Match Target). The rifle has proven capable of 1/2 inch at 50 yards and definitely a sub-MOA rifle at that distance (50 yards).

It was a somewhat calm day, kind of chilly for a Californian (around 50 Degrees) - 5 to 7 MPH wind coming from behind me, shifting between my 7 and 9 so it does influence a bit.

Honestly I was expecting better, I was thinking that at 200 yards a grouping of around 6 inches was doable based on my ballistic research and what I can do at 100 yards. Reality was a bit different though.

I wasn't interested in shooting 5 rounds groups so I shot around 150 rounds at 5 targets (12 inches diameter) and the result below was pretty much typical for each target:



The target above has around 24 rounds in it. Note that the vast majority of the rounds still end up within a 7 inches area.



But you have a pesky few outside of it.

Another target (I think it was the worse target) showed around a 9 inches grouping for the majority of the rounds.



Conclusion so far:

6 to 7 inches is probably doable in PERFECT condition with Wolf or SK Standard Plus

The reality is more toward a 9 inches group.

I'm sure some "Tight Groups Experts" can post targets showing 4 inches groups with 3 or 5 rounds (heck, I had a couple of such groups in the first photo) and shout "Look at what my rifle can do" but I think it will be the exception (luck included) and not the rule.

I wanted to shoot a lot of rounds at the targets in order to evaluate properly what was happening and wasn't interested in 3 or 5 rounds groups.

So my conclusions based on my shooting day:

200 yards - Awesome day, perfect weather - Groups around 6 inches

200 yards - Good day with a bit of wind - Groups between 6 and 9 inches


Just my conclusion so far and I plan to do more testing, including up to 400 yards.

Would be cool to see what others have done/experienced at that distance (Please not the "best of the day" awesome, incredible 3 to 5 rounds group but a good honest average grouping)

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Old 12-23-2008, 07:07 PM
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Just my conclusion so far and I plan to do more testing, including up to 400 yards.
that will be intresting to see.
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Old 12-23-2008, 07:11 PM
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with the right ammo 4inch groups would be really good with no wind, 5shot groups.
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Old 12-23-2008, 07:15 PM
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that will be intresting to see.
Probably need bigger targets.
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Old 12-23-2008, 07:17 PM
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DF, I just posted over at SH but you're here. Did you dial in the drop or holdover?
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Old 12-23-2008, 07:20 PM
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There's a reason why the NRA 200 yard smallbore target has a 7 inch 10 ring. It's not that easy to keep your shots inside the 10 ring.... even in perfect weather.

I'd say you did pretty well, all things considered.
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My elevation was 27.5
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My elevation was 27.5
0 value wind?
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I was having a very good day at the range at 50 and 100 yards. The winds were very calm, and my rifle was shooting good groups. On a whim, I decided to try 200 yards. By the time I got on paper, I had nine rounds left. Here they are.
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...n/DSCN1211.jpg

The center to center measure is 1.930", just under minute of angle.

No way do I represent this as an average group. I may never beat it, I don't know. But, for me at least, it's something to shoot for. If it was only 3 or 5 rounds, I wouldn't have saved the target. But with nine rounds, it gives it a little more validity.

Since then, I have found ammo that can significantly beat this ammo, but I have not tried it yet at 200 yards. And at the current 2 degrees F, I'm not likely to soon.

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Good to know this can be done!

You can see in the first target that I have a 8 rounds groups around 2", this was done with the same 10 rounds magazine (8 loaded) under a minute (same wind), so yeah, it can be done but it was far from the norm with the 150 rounds.

So - for now - I call it an exception and not an average.

Good info though. THANKS!

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It will be a while before I do any 200 yards shooting, but when I finally work my way out to 200 yards, I hope I can do as well!
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Im gona have to rob my bushnell 10x tactical off my .223 and put it on my cz scout and play. its cold and snowy here too so maybe this weekend if the weather holds up.
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It will be a while before I do any 200 yards shooting, but when I finally work my way out to 200 yards, I hope I can do as well!
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Would be cool to see what others have done/experienced at that distance (Please not the "best of the day" awesome, incredible 3 to 5 rounds group but a good honest average grouping)
Here is one of those 5.5" Shoot-n-See targets I shot at 200 yards on a breezy day (off the bench). PMC Moderators, BSA 3-9x scope, CZ American, and I counted 38 holes on the target after 50 shots. It was a pretty gusty day with the wind coming in from the right -- just about straight 9 o'clock position but some bouncing around. Speed was maybe 10 mph with gusts to 15 mph or so. The elevation on the crosshairs was good but for windage I was holding the crosshairs on the right side of the cardboard backing, maybe 6" from the edge of the black. The horizontal stringing gives the weather report The majority of the 12 shots that didn't make the black were "gusted" off the target to the left (downwind).

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