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Old 03-09-2019, 08:47 AM
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Gentlemen I've been doing a lot of research and as you know the internet is full of conflicting reviews and information so I've decided to stop and come to the folks I put the most value in.

I am after a 1/4" gun, period. That a 1/4" 5 shot group @ 50 yards.

I know one gun might shoot it and if I bought the identical gun, it just might not shoot as good as the other persons. I also know when we get down to it at 1/4" the shooter is probably a big variable.

So I'd prefer a 22 LR auto. I am not opposed to another bolt gun if its just not that likely I would get a 1/4" with am auto.

So would a Kidd Supergrade, Volquartsen or another give me a high probability that I could see consistent 1/4" groups with preferred ammo? I've seen some great reviews on both guns and a few … well I just could never get mine to shoot much more than 1/2" reviews.

Also not opposed to an Anschutz if that gives me the better consistent chance although I'd like an auto loader.

What I don't want is a single shot gun.

For me, this is going to be a major purchase. I have around $1500 to spend before glass.

Thanks for any advice.
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Old 03-09-2019, 09:36 AM
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For 1500 bucks you can have both. Buy the Cz 455 precision trainor. $800 bucks or the Cz 457 MTR, and build yourself a 1022. Bothe will shoot well and , get a good fixed power scope for both .
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Old 03-09-2019, 10:25 AM
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Joe Chacon (ABRA) can build 1 for you.

I remember he uses Douglas barrels, which he himself machines, and stainless steel Tactical Innovations receivers.

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Old 03-09-2019, 11:08 AM
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That's a tall order for a .22 rimfire rifle Dallee. Consistent repeatable 1/4" groups at 50 yards is bench rest gun and top grade match ammo territory in my mind but I'll be following along to see what others have to say.

Good luck with your hunt!

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Old 03-09-2019, 11:18 AM
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You can build your own,not hard to do. Buy the cheapest 10/22 you can,you only want the receiver, and build what you want. My Target was built that way [it developed after years of upgrades] The only oem parts left are the receiver,trigger housing and safety. Cost about $900 in upgrades,$1200 total. You can buy after market receivers also. Look at KIDD for parts and built rifles. You can't go wrong with the KIDD stuff!! KIDD Supergrade Have you looked at the "10/22's for newbie" section? Look at the "Ultimate" section to see what people have done. People are friendly here ask question....... My rifle is awesome!! I have had it like it is for 3-4years now and it is amazing!! Look up Chaser or DrGunner here. They know there stuff.........
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Old 03-09-2019, 11:19 AM
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Joe Chacon (ABRA) can build 1 for you.

I remember he uses Douglas barrels, which he himself machines, and stainless steel Tactical Innovetions receivers.
Not sure if it would make the OP's $1,500 budget number though. I wouldn't cost anything to call and ask.
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Old 03-09-2019, 11:27 AM
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That's a tall order for a .22 rimfire rifle Dallee. Consistent repeatable 1/4" groups at 50 yards is bench rest gun and top grade match ammo territory in my mind but I'll be following along to see what others have to say.

Good luck with your hunt!

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Old 03-09-2019, 11:28 AM
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Wow, when I read that topic line I thought this was going to be about a fine miniature......
Fwiw, Ive had/got guns that have done 1/4" @ 50yd. and even some better but about all I seem to be good for anymore is an occasional 1/2". Starting to wonder if I should sell the great guns and keep the ones only good for 1/2"ish.......
50yd outdoors, wind, sun, etc.
Perfect bench technique
Premium ammo
And it is still pretty much a crap shoot; roll the dice and take yer best shot.
Imo, about the only way to buy 'that gun' is to go places where people are shooting to that, or better, standard, make friends and find someone selling a gun that you can try out with the ammo known to work in it.
Then find out if you are up to the task.

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Old 03-09-2019, 12:38 PM
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Nice to meet you Fly! E-4 Mafia here as well. The LT business is from flying planes. I used to mark my fuses "Captain Crunch" but after crashing 1 too many I demoted myself

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Getting in the 0.25 club is as much talent on the part of the shooter as it is on the tool.

Good luck with your search.
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Old 03-09-2019, 01:27 PM
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Not sure if it would make the OP's $1,500 budget number though. I wouldn't cost anything to call and ask.
True.

Mr. Brad/ILIKE1022s said his Douglas barrel from JC cost him around $450 (installed?) but he should chime in a short while .

A BR Tony Mele stock direct from the maker himself should be around $350 to 375 shipped.

I think a budget of $1,500 (the OP said optics not included) is very possible even if you incorporate aftermarket receivers and triggers.
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Old 03-09-2019, 01:36 PM
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1/4" is as much ammo as it is gun... maybe more. In other words, you'll have a much harder time finding ammo that will CONSISTENTLY shoot 1/4" than you will finding a gun capable of it.

You're getting into the world of chasing lot numbers, as well as super nice equipment... AND shooting technique... especially if you're not using a bench only gun that is laid on a mechanical rest, and all you do is barely touch the trigger.
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Old 03-09-2019, 01:43 PM
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Dallee, check out these fine examples:


http://forum.accurateshooter.com/thr...ation.3943800/



These are Tony Mele stocks on the custom 10/22s but they are exclusive to ABRA and you cannot buy one from Mr. Mele himself.

He sells the NightHawk BR stocks though.

1 thing I have noticed about the NightHawk stock is that it has no gap (looks much cleaner) in the frontmost section of the barrel channel (check out the crescent openings on the front sections where the stocks' forearms end) unlike those he made for Joe Chacon.

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Old 03-09-2019, 03:21 PM
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Thanks guys for the info and comments. Some things to look into here and to mull over.

I am kind of gathering that its still a crap shoot on buying a Kidd Supergrade or the Volquartsen and knowing either would be capable of 1/4".

How about bolt guns that can do that? I would want it to be a repeater instead of a single shot.

Guys I really do appreciate everything.
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:13 PM
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Bolt actions are generally considered to be 'easier' to get the tiny groups than semi-autos, and dont even consider lever guns
Of course the old single shots built up for competition like the Win 1885, Ballards, Stevens 44 and 44 1/2 and BSA Martini Internationals (no build required, already to go) are still highly regarded but you say no sgl shots.
I think there are few 'tiny group' shooters who dont load and shoot sgl. shot even if it is a repeater.
Always exceptions though.....
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