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Old 12-30-2018, 11:24 AM
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Being a new guy to the site (but not to shooting), I am looking at the 17HMR for ground squirrels here in Idaho. As a complement to the 22lr and 221 fireball that I currently use. Can a guy pick up a Savage Heavy barrel bolt gun and a brick of ammo and expect decent results out to 100-125 yards? Looks like it, mostly, from this thread. Altho the Browning ammo pictured doesn't do much for me.

I understand that CCI loads most of the HMR ammo out there - does that include the Hornady, Winchester and Remington brands?
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Old 12-30-2018, 11:46 AM
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I understand that CCI loads most of the HMR ammo out there - does that include the Hornady, Winchester and Remington brands?

Yes on Remington and Hornady, and no on Winchester.
This was updated on 01/23/19.

I must have read it too fast the first time. Winchester has been making their own (horrible) 17hmr for at least 3 year now.
Sorry for the confusion.

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Old 12-30-2018, 01:44 PM
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Winchester loads it's own and for Browning.
CCI for all the rest.

You can find the maufacturer's date code on the box
and figure out who made what and when.

Here's what you can expect at 200 yards from the 17hmr (and 22lr, 22wmr, 17wsm)

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum....php?t=1129343

Bottom of the page, 17 hmr section

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I can’t see this thread all blurry
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Old 12-30-2018, 10:18 PM
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Old 12-31-2018, 10:28 AM
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Tom,

I seldom leave any gun in box stock condition. I did give a friend my Savage laminated stocked, heavy barrel 17 hummer and except for a Rifle Basix trigger it is still box stock. He has shot a lot of grounds squirrels at 100-150 yds and loves it.
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Fired this 1/4" 5 shot group at 50 yards first trip out with my new CZ457 American in 17HMR. Shooting Hornady 17gr Vmax's. Rock Chucks beware.....
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Nice shooting and accuracy, did you just shoot 5 shot and go home?
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Old 01-22-2019, 08:25 PM
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I understand that CCI loads most of the HMR ammo out there - does that include the Hornady, Winchester and Remington brands?
I don't think CCI could make ammo as bad as the Winchester 17hmr if they tried.

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Late to the party, but in answer to the OP's question :

My 2009 vintage CZ 452 17 HMR is averaging 0.431 inches CTC for five shot groups at 50 yards with it's favorite ammunition, which is CCI TNT 17 gr. This is an average of 23 groups shot in 7 different range sessions over a 3 year period and 3 different lots of ammunition. CCI TNT Green 16 gr. shoots almost as well, averaging 0.445 inches for 12 groups.

The above group averages include every group that I have shot with these loads, including those for which "I did not do my part". No cherry-picking.

I have periodically tested different varieties of 17 gr. Tipped and 20 gr. Controlled Expansion bullets, but in my rifle the accuracy results were disappointing, averaging 0.75 to 1.00 inches at 50 yards.

My group shooting is done from a bench using a Harris 6-9" Bipod and rear sandbag. For group shooting I normally have a Sightron SII 24x44AO mounted on the 17 HMR, which clearly shows the effect of my heartbeat on alignment of the crosshairs, so it is not the most stable setup but it is the same one tht I would use in the field on a groundhog hunt. This rifle has the barrel free floated a PMTJ, but other than that is box-stock.

I hope that you find this information useful.
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Fired this 1/4" 5 shot group at 50 yards first trip out with my new CZ457 American in 17HMR. Shooting Hornady 17gr Vmax's. Rock Chucks beware.....
Awesome. I was on the fence about getting one until now. What length barrel?
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Being a new guy to the site (but not to shooting), I am looking at the 17HMR for ground squirrels here in Idaho. As a complement to the 22lr and 221 fireball that I currently use. Can a guy pick up a Savage Heavy barrel bolt gun and a brick of ammo and expect decent results out to 100-125 yards? Looks like it, mostly, from this thread. Altho the Browning ammo pictured doesn't do much for me.

I understand that CCI loads most of the HMR ammo out there - does that include the Hornady, Winchester and Remington brands?
You have been given some great advice and answers to your questions. RFC members are the very best at trying to help others out!

I might add, l used to take a 22lr. on squirrel shoots along with the 17 hmr., but found out that the 17hmr. was so much fun and accurate that the 22 lr. now stay home.

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Late to the party, but in answer to the OP's question :

My 2009 vintage CZ 452 17 HMR is averaging 0.431 inches CTC for five shot groups at 50 yards with it's favorite ammunition, which is CCI TNT 17 gr. This is an average of 23 groups shot in 7 different range sessions over a 3 year period and 3 different lots of ammunition. CCI TNT Green 16 gr. shoots almost as well, averaging 0.445 inches for 12 groups.

The above group averages include every group that I have shot with these loads, including those for which "I did not do my part". No cherry-picking.

I have periodically tested different varieties of 17 gr. Tipped and 20 gr. Controlled Expansion bullets, but in my rifle the accuracy results were disappointing, averaging 0.75 to 1.00 inches at 50 yards.

My group shooting is done from a bench using a Harris 6-9" Bipod and rear sandbag. For group shooting I normally have a Sightron SII 24x44AO mounted on the 17 HMR, which clearly shows the effect of my heartbeat on alignment of the crosshairs, so it is not the most stable setup but it is the same one tht I would use in the field on a groundhog hunt. This rifle has the barrel free floated a PMTJ, but other than that is box-stock.

I hope that you find this information useful.
Thank you, for taking the time to post. It is appreciated. Nice shooting too, sounds like you have a nice one.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:28 PM
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I just purchased a 455 Varmint in 17 HMR and have been trying every brand & bullet to see what it can do. It's all stock except for a Yo Dave shim to remove creep from the trigger which now breaks at a heavy 2.5 lbs and not ideal for bench work. I'll stone it or add a lighter spring later.

Until yesterday I had not been overly impressed with the accuracy. In fact I was considering sending it back-bad crown or chamber?

It does not like 17 gr V-Max's of any brand. 1-1.5" groups at fifty.

20 gr XTP's are running 1.5-2" at 50 - ridiculous.

CCI 20gr Game Points were around 1"

17 gr TNTs showed some promise with groups running .5" - .75". Federal was better than CCI. Now I was feeling better.

Last was some Hornady 15.5 gr NTX. First group ran about .4". Hmmm.... Then, .2" or less. Followed by a .3", maybe less. Now this had my attention.

I'll keep exploring the light weight lead free rounds to see if the trend continues. If you have a 17 with questionable accuracy, the light lead free bullets might be worth a shot.

I never imagined the groups would tighten up as much as they did!
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:38 PM
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That's good news about the NTX since we're kinda stuck with that weight starting July (in Ca). I don't suppose the 1/2gr loss will make much difference in the trajectory curve at HMR ranges (150 and under).

Any side by side terminal effects compared to the lead?
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