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Old 02-28-2010, 03:11 PM
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22 Hornet, 22K Hornet 17 AI Hornet, 17 squirrel, 22 squirrel. New ammo from Federal New ammo from Winchester, Remignton in the last couple of years new guns from remington and savage new pistol from Taurus all in the last couple of years. Yes the 22 Hornet is a dead cartridge!
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Old 02-28-2010, 03:35 PM
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Point being, people are voting with their checkbooks. They already voted on the issue 35 years ago, and one more go around won't turn out any different.

The 5mm is a dead issue. Which is why there's not "more talk" on it.

As for the 5mm being superior to a cheaper, more powerful cartridge, well, it's not, in any way, which is probably why no rifles are being made for it.

Saying that rimfires are allowed in closed areas to make a point for 5mm "superiority" doesn't address the issue of performance for the price, which is what most of us are concerned with. Shelling out even more money for a relatively small ballistic gain over the existing rimfires won't prove popular.....and indeed has not proven popular.

Proselytize all you want about any perceived "advantages" of a 5mm. It won't get a single 5mm rifle produced......which says something about the validity of resurrecting a rifle in 5mm, and the relevance of the "advantages" of a 5mm.

Most believe they don't need it, and they're probably right.
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Old 02-28-2010, 06:13 PM
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I don't know what betting on checkbooks means? The 591 and 592 rifles were introduced in January of 1970 and discontinued in December of 1973 the way I look at it was dead in 1973 with not even 100,000 rifles being made!
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Old 03-01-2010, 09:39 AM
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I think Cheaperthandirt has 5mm ammo for 13.29 a box. I just saw it at the houston gunshow this weekend, at a couple of diff ammo tables, for 13.50 a box.
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Old 03-01-2010, 09:46 AM
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Compareing a rimfire to a centerfire is just crazy. For those that keep argueing the knock down power of the 5MM, the 22mag and the 17HMR are much closer to the 5mm than the 5mm is to the 22 Hornet!!
I hope that Centurian continues to produce the ammo for you. This past weekend I spoke to six gun dealers in my area and all have said that after everyone bought up as much ammo as they thought they would need and others bought a box as a keepsake, they have sold no more ammo and no longer keep it on the shelf.
As was stated earlier in this thread, 22LR will always reign king if you are going to shoot much, if you are shooting paper the 17HMR rules the roost, if you are hunting, take your pick of which one is appropriate.
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Old 03-01-2010, 08:49 PM
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"Voting with your checkbook" means keeping it closed when there's a chance to buy something as a way of saying "no."

If you don't buy it, and other people don't buy it, it doesn't survive.

Thus, the 5mm.

Which is why there's not "more talk" on it. Most people don't have a clue what it is.
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Old 03-01-2010, 09:08 PM
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Thank you johnnyrem.m Most people don't have a clue and most people don't care. It just goes to show how very popular the 22 magnum really is! Shooters are happy with the 22 magnum and feel there is no need for another rimfire cartridge.
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Old 03-01-2010, 09:26 PM
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Thank you johnnyrem.m Most people don't have a clue and most people don't care. It just goes to show how very popular the 22 magnum really is! Shooters are happy with the 22 magnum and feel there is no need for another rimfire cartridge.
The 5mm won't kill a coyote any deader at 150 yards. Beyond that I'd use a Hornet. Now; perhaps squirrel hunters think the 5 is better for shooting bushy tails. I can understand that.

Ground hogs or chucks? The WMR kills them as fast as a Hornet out to 160 yards.

Then there is the problem that Remington stopped production of their 5mm to compete with the WMR. Added is the problem no one else wants to bother.

This thread is dead. The 5mm was dead when it was introduced in the 70s.

So now 5mm posters and believers are here with others saying it is worthwhile. I wonder why no one is chambering it for them or the others that think it is such a bomb to chamber for since 1970.

Perhaps CZ can do it. But they opted out. The cheap bolt rifle company of rimfires.

Better get a Cooper or Kimber. But neither decided to fulfill their dreams of the exasperating and apoplectic 5mm.

Better just hire a garage rifle maker to chamber your 5mm and be happy with it.

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Old 03-01-2010, 09:38 PM
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You know the funny thing about it is Remington loaded the 22 magnum back in the 60s 1964 I think? It only lasted a year they had to many problems with it. Then they try the 5mm in the 70s it dies after 3 years. And now all the 22 magnum ammo under the Remington label is all loaded by CCI! I think Remington needs to stay out of the rimfire mag business.
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Old 03-02-2010, 09:55 AM
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I looked up the factory specks on the 22 hornet, its faster BUT is also a CF round. I realy find it hard to see a comparison of a CF to any of the RFs. I have a 22lr for all my fun shooting and when the weather is right its a brick a week. I have friends with 22mags. that enjoy them a lot and it works for them. Its a step up from the 22lr for fun shooting. I have friends that like there 17s and use them when we go out west. One thing I do not see is any one shooting 100-400 rounds of the 22mag or the 17 or the 5mm. Each has it place and each has its level of performance. Some own one some own two and a few have all three of the RF mentioned. If you don't own or shoot one of the three mentioned, then I find it hard to read the comparisons made by some of the posters. I am one of the lucky ones that have the 5mm. Do I make it do CF work NO. Do I know its limitation YES. For me it has the others covered easly and for the performance it is the one to beat.
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Old 03-02-2010, 02:40 PM
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During ground squirrel and PD seasons each year I have averaged between 14,000 to 17,000 rounds of .17HMR ammo and 2 to 3,000 rounds of .223 & .204 ammo.
I have been shooting on the same ranch for over 5 years now, which covers approx. 64 sq. mi.
My primary 10/17 conversion is on it's 3rd Lilja barrel, having shot out the other 2. 40,000 rounds is about the limit that I have found before a .17HMR barrel goes south. The 1st barrel was a Volquartsen and it only lasted thru 20,000 or so. Along the way I've taken care of a few skunks, jack rabbits and badgers too. They are just as dead having been shot with the .17HMR as they would be if shot with the .223 or the .204.
I don't need to shoot a brick a week to have fun. I shoot enough during the spring and summer and thats to help out the rancher with his pest problems. Plinking is a waste of ammo and $ $ $.
The only other time ammo is expended is sighting in a new scope or testing a new rifle.
I've tried using the .22 Magnum in both the PD and ground squirrel fields but gave that caliber up and never went back after having to shoot rainbow arcs and holding over 20+ inches to get a decent hit out at 200 yards and beyond. Another waste of ammo and $ $ $ in my opinion. If you can keep your shots below 100 yards it might be worth trying, but those PD's and ground squirrels don't hang around for you to keep throwing lead at them and stay within 100 yards for you.
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Old 03-02-2010, 05:50 PM
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During ground squirrel and PD seasons each year I have averaged between 14,000 to 17,000 rounds of .17HMR ammo and 2 to 3,000 rounds of .223 & .204 ammo.
I have been shooting on the same ranch for over 5 years now, which covers approx. 64 sq. mi.
My primary 10/17 conversion is on it's 3rd Lilja barrel, having shot out the other 2. 40,000 rounds is about the limit that I have found before a .17HMR barrel goes south. The 1st barrel was a Volquartsen and it only lasted thru 20,000 or so. Along the way I've taken care of a few skunks, jack rabbits and badgers too. They are just as dead having been shot with the .17HMR as they would be if shot with the .223 or the .204.
I don't need to shoot a brick a week to have fun. I shoot enough during the spring and summer and thats to help out the rancher with his pest problems. Plinking is a waste of ammo and $ $ $.
The only other time ammo is expended is sighting in a new scope or testing a new rifle.
I've tried using the .22 Magnum in both the PD and ground squirrel fields but gave that caliber up and never went back after having to shoot rainbow arcs and holding over 20+ inches to get a decent hit out at 200 yards and beyond. Another waste of ammo and $ $ $ in my opinion. If you can keep your shots below 100 yards it might be worth trying, but those PD's and ground squirrels don't hang around for you to keep throwing lead at them and stay within 100 yards for you.
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Old 03-02-2010, 06:40 PM
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Old 03-02-2010, 06:55 PM
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Its like he just fell asleep while wrtiing Hes face down in a bowl of oat meal as we speak! Quick someone call 911!!!
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:53 PM
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That Ole Man River post gets my vote as the most off topic blathering of the year, with not one on topic comment germane to the 5mm......reminds me of that Family Guy episode lampooning Bob Dole.

(Imagine Bob Dole making a declarative statement)

Bob Dole is on Top of Things! Bob Dole is taking this one all the way!

Bob Dole!

Bob Dole......

Bob Dole.....zzzzzZZZZZSnore! (Fast Asleep)
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