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Was it that cool this morning? Really?
WOW!!!!

Nice shooting Clem......

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Actually I think that is stellar shooting. Are you sure you weren't at the pistol range shooting that one? lol just kidding.

Would like to catch up with you at the range some time.
I'll be going back there Friday morning. Possibly You could give me some pointers ?
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Thanks. It was January when I shot that. That barrel has shot since day one. I shot that off a bipod, I shoot everything off a bipod. My cousin retired as a USMC shooter. He taught me a lot of techniques. But everything is pretty basic. We like to shoot 600-800y silhouette with our .308s and we only have 10x optics. so the .22s are very good trainers. I haven't shot much lately. A couple times this summer. We need to get together.

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You are so right! Even the 1/4" Game is less than 1 MOA (MOA @ 25 is something like .26175"). Many people have poo pooed that and any other of our 25 yard games.

First of all 25 yards is a pretty common hunting distance for squirrels, rabbits and similar critters so that makes it a practical distance. We are shooting semi auto SuperStock and some of the SuperSport rifles are even lighter even though they have fat LOOKING barrels. I dare anyone to tell me that Ricochet' 8 Ball (.125")or the ZEE Row games are easy! They are not. Even the largest Zee Row of .099" is .02591 MOA

They idea for ZEE Row came when testing a Ruger barrel returned to me after work on it by Skeeter27Red (in fact he numbered it 001). The very first group out of the barrel was a .059" shot with BLAZER ammo!! The answer to the next question is... NO! I never repeated that but came close several times with "good" ammo!


I still have the barrel and it is not more than 5 feet from where I type this!
I hear that. as a general rule it takes a very tuned setup, along with a shooter who practices correct fundamentals, (I have also been using 24x sightrons on my best cz and my 10/22), burning a lot of good ammo (which usually requires batch testing) and the moons have to align. some days everything just works. some days you cant hit the ground with your hat. I have some cheap ammo challenge targets I need to post. I enjoy those games a lot. testing cheap ammo is fun too.

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Thanks. It was January when I shot that. That barrel has shot since day one. I shot that off a bipod, I shoot everything off a bipod. My cousin retired as a USMC shooter. He taught me a lot of techniques. But everything is pretty basic. We like to shoot 600-800y silhouette with our .308s and we only have 10x optics. so the .22s are very good trainers. I haven't shot much lately. A couple times this summer. We need to get together.


I txt you Monday or Tuesday.
I feel i would benefit much from you.
Even if I me the only one to show up I will be at quail creek Friday morning

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I txt you Monday or Tuesday.
I feel i would benefit much from you.
Even if I me the only one to show up I will be at quail creek Friday morning

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I would love to go out Friday. But my wife has been having some health issues so I have burned a few more days off than I would have liked taking care of her. I wont be able to do any weekdays for a while. The last several times I have gone out I haven't even focused on my breathing or even using decent ammo. I just took some cheap stuff and focused on stress relief. I haven't even uploaded the targets for the cheap ammo challenge. I guess Ill do that now.

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I hear that. as a general rule it takes a very tuned setup, along with a shooter who practices correct fundamentals, (I have also been using 24x sightrons on my best cz and my 10/22), burning a lot of good ammo (which usually requires batch testing) and the moons have to align. some days everything just works. some days you cant hit the ground with your hat. I have some cheap ammo challenge targets I need to post. I enjoy those games a lot. testing cheap ammo is fun too.
It is always good when you find a rifle/pistol that likes a certain cheap ammo. Of course then they go and change powder lots and all the testing goes out the door unless you bought a bunch of the good stuff cheap ammo. As for fundamentals I found a long time ago that shooting good groups with a light 10/22 requires a firm hold. I have had excellent luck with Fed American Eagle 225040 the 40 grain lead bullet in 50 round box or 500 brick but it has been hard to find.

I see people here talk about "Oh no you should use 'free recoil' as it works for the bench rest guys right?" Try using free recoil with a 10/22 @ 100 yards and you will be very lucky if they all hit the same piece of paper!! A lot of "eggspurts" around until you ask them how many thousands of shots have they done at 100 yards with a 10/22 and then all you hear is the crickets!
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I would love to go out Friday. But my wife has been having some health issues so I have burned a few more days off than I would have liked taking care of her. I wont be able to do any weekdays for a while. The last several times I have gone out I haven't even focused on my breathing or even using decent ammo. I just took some cheap stuff and focused on stress relief. I haven't even uploaded the targets for the cheap ammo challenge. I guess Ill do that now.


Saturday the 8th I believe. Not this Saturday but next Saturday is the monthly fun shoot at Arlington sportsman club. Hope to see you there.


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I cant that day. There is a car show at Gas Monkey. A friend of mine has some cars he wants to take. He is trailering one of them and I am driving the other. I will be driving the 54th built out of 107 of these

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Rico's 8 ball and Zee Row games.....

My classic vehicle will be waiting till after tax season to get anymore funds thrown at them.
I'm currently purchasing a anni br 54 from a member on the board so I have no extras funds now either.

There is a car show a TMS this week end as well.


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here is my personal junk. its broken right now.



I need to put this in it





so I haven't bought may firearms in a while.
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What size motor Clem? Looks like fun to me. I am one of those weird people that enjoy building engines although all mine were Type 1 VW and I had a small business on the side building two stroke kart racing engines.

Take a reliable KT 100 Yamaha that was designed to go a half a season (maybe 25 to 40 hours at 10,000 RPM) and turn it into a 4 hour engine turning 14,500 rpm!! That is with all stock parts! Just blueprinting and lot of very "interesting" assembly Never got busted in Tech though. Ran the same two engines for a season and got one back as a box of parts every post race tech. Everyone KNEW they were illegal but they passed tech every race. Okay so I was sweating the whole time if they would figure it out but it was one of those things that was so BLATANT they never even thought to check for it.

Ran them at the IKF Grand National Championships and got second place against the 300CC Open class (any fuel except hydrazine) with my 200cc "Stock" class (gas and oil) Kart. Was the last race of the year and my nerves could not take it anymore!

Funny part was I ran legal but very fast engines in 200 class and had one "let go" @ 14,200 rpm 45 minutes into a 1 hour race. Not a single salvageable part left if you did not count screws and that stuff. Weird part was the engine blowing up may have saved my life. it was 117 F air temp and I pulled into the pits pulled off my helmet and started getting sick. Meanwhile people were running up to me dumping their coolers on me. They said I was purple! Heat stroke. The driving suit below was WHITE on the back when it dried from all the electrolytes I had sweated out. From that day on I drank a qt of Gatorade race morning for breakfast and another qt between then and race and never had another problem.

Bad part is it damaged something in my brain that controls body temp and to this day 30 years later. If I start sweating I can not stop and if I start shivering I can not stop. Broken thermostat the docs say! I really miss racing though.

"Legal" KT 100 engines:


The last "VW" engine I built was a lot like some of the "10/22"s built here. It had exactly ONE VW part in it! The distributor drive gear. Like here the engine was a "Volkswagen" to anyone calling it something! We mounted it in an older 911 Porsche. It was quite a bit faster (and larger displacement) than the 6 cylinder motor we took out. The used Porsche motor almost paid for the new "VW" and the new one was lighter too. The Porsche was a 2200CC the VW was 2500cc or so!
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Rico's 8 ball and Zee Row games.....

This is more or less a regular road vehicle. I drive it as much as my 2007 diesel pickup.
Bone stock small block 350 with original Saginaw 3 speed manual and open rear with 3.07 gear.

This one is awaiting more attention.
I just put a new motor in it about 6 months ago. Going to take the t350 out and put in a Muncie 4 speed.
Originally
327 w/th400 bucket seat console shift Elcomino 4.10 closed 10 bolt rear
Fairly rare for this car.
Can't wait to get back to work on it.


I can meet up with you first Saturday in November at quail creek. I'll probably be driving the 70 c10 if weather is fair.


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My buddy with the cobra R's used to race shifter carts when we were kids. There is a go cart track (for racing gas carts, not the kind where people go pay to drive electric carts) right next to the drag strip by me.

I had a friend whos dad was a huge VW guy. He loved those things. I helped drop the engine out of one once, it took like 20 minutes. it was pretty cool.

mine is an aftermarket block deal. 416ci. around 12.5:1 compression, solid roller, new profiler sbf heads. I am told by people who should know that it should make between 650-700hp on motor and run 9s in the 1/4 mile in my street car. we built one a few years ago for my buddies car, it was a stock Windsor block 408 with a set of 351 Cleveland heads on it. it made around 670hp on motor and ran 9s in the 1/4 mile.

here is how it launched on motor. this was before we got the rear suspension sorted out



here are some more pics of my small block









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That was why I asked Clem because the motor looked too nice to be a stocker. That sounds like an excellent combination. There are just some combos that click like the 383 GM Small block built on 350/327 or one of those blocks. They perform better then the C.I. would indicate just because everything clicks and is a balanced combination of part. Again not much different than a really nice 10/22. It always seemed to me that the engines that went together easy always ran better and the engines you had to fight with never seemed to quite be what you hoped.

I am liking the potential in Peashooter67's El Camino. I am not a big GM fan but the El Caminos, 66 Chevelle, 69 Comaro and that truck body style (is that what they called a "C" or C10 Body?)

My bugs were mostly Baja Bugs for street/off road combination and they WORKED. My best friend got me into it so we had two and we would gather up all the buddies and there Toyota Trucks and full sized trucks and about every 1/'2 hour we would have to stop and take a break so the trucks could catch up and the guys tongues would be hanging out from the beating they were taking but we could go way faster on dirt roads and trails and not get beat up and or bugs were not full on Class 5 off roaders. I drove mine to work or my wife did. My daughter named ours Boogy Bug because if we when fast we were boogying. I would take adults out and not even meaning to scare them badly. She was 3 at that time and practically grew up in that car and no matter how fast I went from then until she was 16 she could never get enough.

If you notice the Kart is a laydown called Enduros in the East and Road Racing in the west we raced on all the big named race tracks. My first race was Riverside Intl (long gone now) and the next was Laguna Seca in Monterey, Ca and home track was Willow Springs and you have seen it in hundreds of TV commercials for anything from sports cars to energy drinks. Built in the side of a mountain 2.6 miles around and something like 260 ft drop from turn 4 to turn 8!! We also raced Sears Point now called Sonoma and we used the more difficult layout the Indy Cars use instead of the weenie layout NASCAR uses

Willow Springs many many views:
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Here is a better view of the driving position. I designed the chassis with a friend and he welded it and the first time we took it out to test we broke the track record by 4.2 seconds!! This was my first drive back after breaking my back over a year before in a fall at Willow!


Yamahas at Willow about 130 to 135 mph. This picture it has Komet reed valve engines and was more like 135-140 mph calculated from RPM-Gear-Tire size. Over 3 G's in the corners and we were faster through the corners than all but the fastest Formula/Indy cars. Of course many race cars killed us on top speed. Only 200cc after all but the biggest thrill I ever had.

Going back to the 10/22 analogy: Many of the same things apply as far as getting everything straight and squared and that kind of stuff is what makes a 10,000 rpm motor turn 14,200 much like when you blueprint a rifle action/barrel to get accuracy. Also what we learned early in SuperStock when you were finished building the rifle the IMPORTANT work started because all the tuning and tweaking is where the Speed/Accuracy come from!

Usually records are broken by tenths of seconds. The funny part was neither of us breaking that record so badly was neither of us had ever driven a twin engine kart before that day! We designed it FOR Willow Springs' high speeds and made it so narrow it was skinnier than most single engines, the craziest part is I designed it knowing I was going to give away handling for top speed because the Championship was coming to Willow the next year. Something went wonderfully wrong because it was the best handling kart we had ever driven! we sold 4 or 5 but we were not really in the kart building business but were engine builders. Sometimes a good chassis makes those engines look much faster like your friends Mustang before and after getting the rear end of the car figured out. So many things kind of interchange with this stuff between rifles and other hi performance machines of what ever kind because the basics are the same.

Earlier we discussed the fundamentals of SHOOTING this kind of rifle. Again their is a likeness because no matter how fast the car is or how accurate the rifle it still comes back to the fundamentals and tweaking those techniques to drive/shoot better. I have always thought that it is not uncommon for people like us to have interests in more than one sport because if you are good at one and know why you are good you can apply those fundamentals in other places sort of like a gymnast and a high diver. When I was first coming up through the ranks in Karate some of our best black belts took dancing, even ballet lessons to learn how to move!! Did seem kind of funny to see some of the best fighters in the U.S. in Ballet tights!
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That really looks fun. I'd like to build a v-twin off road fun cart. Kinda a cross between a go kart and a today weenie off road cart that's all the rage today.

Take a go kart from when we were kids and put a 24 + hp v-twin on it with fat dirtbike tires on it. Stretch it so and adult can fit and give it a little suspension. I think that would be a hoot off road.


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