I am considering building 22 Magnum receivers. They would be completely re-engineered and the only similarity they would have to the Ruger is that the parts would interchange. We would like to know if anyone has interest in a 22 Magnum Receiver. If there is enough feedback and interest we will invest in teh development and re-enginnering. It would be very similar to the RAZOR receiver with built in rail system. The design would be robust and functional. We would concentrate on working out the issues RUGER had.
If you are interested in purchasing a 10/22 redesigned Magnum receiver to build from scratch please let me know with a simple reply to this Post
The reason tungstun is used is only due to the weight. This is strictly a true blowback design and the only thing keeping the bolt in place until the pressure goes down is mass. The recoil spring is to slow the bolt down and return it to battery and doesn't do much to retard the bolt starting to move though I'm sure it helps a little bit. There's been many discussions on this site about what it takes to control pressure generated by the 17 HMR to make it safe in a semi-auto. Some think a light weight bolt and ports is the way to go like Magnum Research, or spring pressure and sliding on a rough surface to slow the bolt down and that weight doesn't have anything to do with it. I tend to think that given the same amount of energy a 2 lb rock will be slower to move and not go as far as 1 lb rock if everything is equal.
Select Fire- the previous post was not intended criticize you or your desire to make something that people may want. If you can develope a market there good for you. I will say that last summer I made some 80% receivers, paired them with bolts and offered them for $425. I couldn't generate any interest so I finished the receivers and sold the bolts. I imagine you can do better with better marketing. Good luck and if you can make a better bolt cheaper, I'll buy them from you.
The four cartridges from one rifle has been done on the 10/22 platform, but I too am interested to see what Bulzi comes up with. Great work so far on the other projects.
The truly ambidextrous rifle is rare. Even semi-automatic rifles have a spring loaded bolt handle on one side that must be pulled back and released in order to chamber the first round when a loaded magazine is placed in an unloaded rifle. Most shooters, would not notice this. Even most leftys can work around the issue with little difficulty but a shooter with only one functioning hand like me does have problems with the action.
The recoil spring on my new 22M/17HMR rifle is quite strong and I have found it to be a bit awkward to operate the bolt handle with my left hand. It is too strong for me to reach over the rifle and pull it back with my left hand. As a result, I cannot chamber a cartridge with the rifle sitting on my bench rest, nor in off hand. I must balance the butt either on my thigh or on the bench as I turn the rifle sideways, rest the barrel in the crook of my right elbow and pull down the handle with my left hand.
When I spoke with Larry at LH Precision, he said he was not tooled up to make a left handed bolt and receiver, so as I often do, I accepted the inconvenience as a normal part of my life and concentrated on the many fine qualities of the rifle. I figured out that with several magazines at hand I can keep the last cartridge from each magazine chambered as I insert the next magazine and therefore; I can go a whole day needing to operate the bolt handle only once, so it is only a minor annoyance.
The only rifles I am aware of that are truly ambidextrous are tube feed lever action rifles and falling block single shot rifles like my Ruger No. 1 and my Martini 12/15. That is why my collection consists of two falling block rifles and one left handed bolt action, in addition to the LH Precision 10/22M-17HMR switch barrel.
Will the action of your rifle be completely ambidextrous or would a lefty need to accept some awkwardness in loading and/or chambering rounds?
When I say ambidextrous, I mean AMBIDEXTROUS!!!!!!
I am designing it from the ground up so that it has almost no chirality whatsoever that can't be swapped. (Safety is a left-right button, similar to the Ruger design. Mag release is a bit more involved but not too different. Of course, you will have to rotate your scope on axis to switch the turret knobs).
I am designing the charging handle so that the user has a choice of left, right, or rear. Obviously, the charging handle doesn't move with the bolt during a firing cycle. I like to keep my teeth in my mouth
I don't wan't to spoil all the surprises... It is a pretty cool concept, definitely a new way to skin the cat.
I'm pretty new to this site but have built a coulple of 10/22's for friends. I've been beating the bushes trying to find a magnum action to work on for a .22 or .17.
SO.... if the price isn't just outright crazy (under 350.00 or there about) I would happy to buy one or two.
Can you make some without that rail on the top and using the ruger profile? I might have need of one but dont want that rail, it is unnecessary for the application i have in mind.
Hello rimfire forum,
Well we are almost there with our design. Bolts are made, cocking handle and return spring'"s" are almost set. The receiver is finished and ready for Validation. We did away with the Tungsten bolt and went with a 1018 carborized and hardend bolt. The recoil and inertia issue was resolved by changing the receiver design a bit. It still holds the exact same outside dimesnsions and supports the same stock, trigger group and magazines. Once all the testing is completed I will post pictures of the new 22 RAZOR Magnum receiver. We are still shooting for a 159.00 receiver with 105 bolt and 35 charging handle. Anyway, just an update for the guys that are interested.
Hello rimfire forum,
Well we are almost there with our design. Bolts are made, cocking handle and return spring'"s" are almost set. The receiver is finished and ready for Validation. We did away with the Tungsten bolt and went with a 1018 carborized and hardend bolt. The recoil and inertia issue was resolved by changing the receiver design a bit. It still holds the exact same outside dimesnsions and supports the same stock, trigger group and magazines. Once all the testing is completed I will post pictures of the new 22 RAZOR Magnum receiver. We are still shooting for a 159.00 receiver with 105 bolt and 35 charging handle. Anyway, just an update for the guys that are interested.
So, The receiver is %80, correct? So is the Drill Jig included in the price or is it about the same price as the one your Web page for the 1022. I could see groups of people getting together to do the %20 together. Does this require some sort of FFL approval, I've heard some discussions on some of the AR sites about %80 receivers. I really like the idea of building one of these.
There will be a drill fixture for the MAGNUM Receiver. The holes are no the same as the standard 10/22. The cost will be about 2 dollars more. The Drill bit kit will be the same kit used on the standard RAZOR. V-Block, trigger guard, cross pins and takedown screw are all interchangeble with teh MAGNUM receiver. Stock and Barrel are different.
I will offer 80% kits. No FFL or government paperwork required. The kit will include the Bolt, Receiver, Charging Handle, additional spring assembly (3 parts), bolt buffer and a instructional drawing with hole locations.
At this time there will be no group buys as the cost to manufacture are high and we will be selling at just over cost.
The first prototype was assembled and fired. It had a few issues related to the bolt and barrel alignment. The Second prototype has had 13 recommended changes and will be done this weekend (Fingers Crossed). If all goes welll we will start building these in groups of 20 at a time in the next few months until the demand ramps up.
By production we should have a very nice unit at an affordable price. Due to the fact that every part needs to be made from the bolt, firing pin to the springs and charging handle the prices are a bit higher. We will not be casting parts like Ruger. Everything will be CNCed from raw material. I think we can offer the complete assembly minus trigger guard, barrel and stock for about 290.00
Im interested ? Are your recivers the size of a stock 10/22 mag or the VQ or the Mag Research? Stocking is a issue also along with bolts and a few other details. I am a .22 mag kind of guy and love building them but if your going to put this product out at what looks like a great price along with bolts that seem to have a source the stock is going to be your next issue.
You can put a VQ or a Mag Res gun in a stock for a 10/22 Rug but you have to inlet it in the rear of the stock for the larger reciver the barrel bolt location has to be bushed and relocated also. Also on the mag res guns you have to inlet the stock for the gas block. I am assuming your recivers are going to be like the stock Rug so the gas block won't be a issue?
You have some great products I am going to contact you today about some parts.
I will answer a few questions first: The receiver is the exact same outside dimensions as the factory Ruger Magnum Receiver. The only difference is the built in weaver rail that has a .300 riser integrated into the receiver. Hogue and a few other manufactures make Ruger 10/22 MAGNUM stocks for 78.00 up to 159.00. I suppose you could take a standard 10/22 aftermarket stock and open it up 1/2 inch longer and make it work?
Our receiver will shoot 22 Magnums (any load) and or .17 HMR (any loads). We have made it so all the shooter has to do is purchase a different spring and the receiver bolt recoil can be adjusted to any speed.
The problem is this. I can only make 30 units by September as I have sent 10's of thousands on Prototype, R&D and The manufacturing of all the required parts. If the first set of 30 receiver kits sell fast I will make 100 more and so on.
Attached is a picture of the Magnum Receiver as it will be produced with the only exception being the rail scallops will be balanced from front to rear on the production units. The first run will be offered in Aluminum Finish only. Black hard coat Anodizing will be available if there is a demand for it in the future.
See attached picture. The upper receiver is our MAGNUM, The lower is the Standard RAZOR 10/22 (See pictures of bullets next to receivers)
Where are we on this. i am planning a new gun and would love a magnum. I have the itch and need to get going on something. Am very interested.
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