i called ruger to get a 10/22 mag and they said they discontinued them because they didnt like the quality. it definitly talked me out of bying one at a pawn shop and they said they didnt know if or when it would be remanufactured
Ruger is wrong about the 10/22 magnum. They just didn't want to put the time in to make it right. I have one that has a VQ bolt, barrel, and Kidd trigger assembly, and it shoots awesome. I haven't had a misfire yet! Beautiful gun that should still be in production. Take a look in the magnum forum and you will see a picture of mine.
I have a single extractor model that I have not had a misfire yet.....none. 250.00 purchased from a gun shop in LA that a member here saw. Called and gave them the card no. over the phone. I agree, Ruger could have made an awesome rifle out of this design. Everyone knows how successful the standard 10/22 has been.
As JPA2002 alludes to, it is less an issue of Ruger having a very high quality standard for the 10/22M as it is more of Ruger not willing to make the gun work. There have been many modifications and conversions of the 10/22M by customers, including me, that have made the gun much more reliable than it ever was out of the box. When I first got the 10/22M, it did have cycling issues in stock .22 mag form, much more than any stock .22 lr 10/22 I've ever had. When I converted mine to .17 HMR, reliablity was even worse (~50% failure rate). After a few mods, reliability has increased substantially (still get an occasional stove pipe <0.5% of the time). The accuracy provided by the gun, however, overcomes this deficiency.
Here is a sample of what I shot today with my first 10/22M converted to .17 HMR (all 5 round groups / 50 yds, slightly windy anywhere between 5-15 mph). Black circles are 1". This is normal for the gun.
I hope Ruger doesn't go back into the 22 mag market, as it makes mine worth more:bthumb: I am very happy with my gun, and I know it has cost me a lot to get it where it is, but it is awesome.
my next question is why would u spend so much on a 22 mag just buy a mini-14 same price range and the ammo is almost the same price 2 oh and a 223 has better range dummies lol i love my 22 maginum
I love the 10/22 magnum... I bought one with a 2-7 var X II for $300. Never shot it, took the scope and sold the rifle for $520.00 plus shipping. Hope I can find a couple more like it.
I think Ruger made a great gun when they made the 10/22 magnum.
The problem is that they know they killed it when they added the second extractor and weakened the bolt. A fatal mistake that cannot be fixed within reasonable cost to Ruger. If you have a single extractor model you have a great rifle.
..........But it is completly WRONG. The metallurgy of the bolt is the problem, along with the bolt weight being wrong also. Even the single extractor bolts have been known to crack. Plain and simple, Tungsten is completely stupid to use for this application, it's just too brittle. Why they used it is beyond me. Musta been some Engineer straight outta College or something, but then there's the idiot who let the design go to production, so the whole thing is beyond my comprehension.
It is interesting that you say that the Ruger bolts are known to crack as though it is an often occurrence. I have only heard of 2 in the many years I have been reading these forums. I owned one of the two and I can tell you that the metal is way too thin where they added the second extractor. That is where my bolt broke. Old man river had the other I know of and I am not sure where his broke. I was told that the metal cracks in such thin spots while hardening. But I agree with you that it should not have been a problem to begin with. Somebody screwed up bad.
I would gladly own a single extractor model but not for the price they bring these days. I own a VQ now and like it a lot but I miss being able to swap barrels easily. That is ok though because I am looking froward to learning how to thread barrels.
It is interesting that you say that the Ruger bolts are known to crack as though it is an often occurrence. I have only heard of 2 in the many years I have been reading these forums. I owned one of the two and I can tell you that the metal is way too thin where they added the second extractor. That is where my bolt broke. Old man river had the other I know of and I am not sure where his broke. I was told that the metal cracks in such thin spots while hardening. But I agree with you that it should not have been a problem to begin with. Somebody screwed up bad.
I would gladly own a single extractor model but not for the price they bring these days. I own a VQ now and like it a lot but I miss being able to swap barrels easily. That is ok though because I am looking froward to learning how to thread barrels.
Beyond the bolts' metallurgy, they just didn't do their homework when they put this particular combination of parts together. We should ALL have a flawless cycling $389 HMR leaning by the front Cabin door by now, but alas, that ain't gonna ever happen.
I think the best solution ever to come down the turnpike is well on its way, and you'll then be able to swap barrels easily.:bthumb:
OK, Here is the "REAL SCOOP" They could not compete with the accuracy and craftsmanship of Remingtons 597 magnum so the tucked their tail between there legs and took it off the market.
That is a harsh blow, but ya know, Chief Dave told me that the Remington 597 is well deserving of a closer look, and much more accepting of being a versatile platform to work off of........
I have two single extractor guns, one in the original chambering and one converted to .17HMR.
Both guns have been flawless for me, and while I have two brand new VQ extractors still in the package, the factory extractors are still in the rifles and still giving good service.
Luck of the draw?
Maybe, but based on mine, I think the 10/22M is an awesome rifle.
One thing that is over looked on the ruger 10/22 mag is the steel receiver. It's a nice receiver, look at VQ receivers price difference between aluminum and steel. Ruger had an excellent platform to work off of, they just needed a good extractor.
I'm not going to start any trash talking between brands, I like Remington better than any other firearm made for the most part, but just the 10/22 magnum magazine alone put all others to shame. In stock form it's accurate enough for hunting easy, and handles great, I do dislike the carbine stock. If Ruger had refined the 10/22 mag into a nice deluxe out of the box rifle with a walnut stock like the dsp, or even a birch stock like the walmart special, and fixed the extractor issue correctly the first time instead of adding the second helper extractor we would not be having this discussion at all.
Here is my 7 pound wonder, 22 wmr, I know it's not stock BUT could you do this with the rem 597 ? Could you find parts to build this or any other 22 wmr auto loading rifle ? I can never leave well enough alone, the Magnum Research carbon fiber barrel came with a compensator and I removed that and made a end cap for it out of Titanium 6Al-v4
Aw Clint, you know darn well you've a very special version of the 22MAG, it's not like it just fell of the turnip truck, either.
You guys just gotta quit flashing all of this wood around right before Christmas!:bthumb:
Chief Says :
Skeeter hit the nail on the head again. One of the most common problems with the 22 magnum is extraction issues. While Ruger thinks a much heavier bolt is needed for the magnum , it only adds to the problem.
In comparing the Ruger 10-22 LR bolt with the 10-22 Magnum bolt I find.
(1) The LR bolt weighs approx. 7 ounces . (2) My 22 magnum bolt weighs approx. 16 ounces , and thats with the rear radius guessing about 2 ounces of material removed . (3) Both bolts are identical in height and width with the magnum bolt being about 3/8 inch longer in the front.
(4) Tungsten being a very heavy material " atomic # 74" compared to gold " atomic # 79" explains how the huge amount of extra weight is added to a slightly longer bolt. This also tripples the price of the item.
The extra case length of the 22 magnum cartridge over the length of the 22 LR cartridge is not intended to hold twice the powder charge , but only a small percentage in comparison. So one can plainly see why the " twice as heavy "bolt of the magnum would lead to pronlems.
Ruger , was completely off track by adding a second extractor " copy of their rimfire boltaction " 77/22 " design. Everyone knows that the dbl extractor of the bolt-action is a manual , shelf type "pullback" extraction system designed to work with no back pressure. Why Ruger thought this would solve any problem is beyond me .
Here again = throw in another extractor , more weight , more cost .. ???
SO NO MORE MAGNUM = No 10-17HMR , No 10-17M2 . Ruger is off the semi auto hook !!
I say :: " If ya want yer magnum to function properly " , run some hyper velocity CCI MAXI-MAG +V or ( TNT's) thru it . Plus keep clean.
There may not be twice the powder or twice the case length but there is nearly twice the power range. For instance a 10/22 lr needs to function with 40 grain target ammo at around 1030 fps and a magnum shoots 40 grain ammo around 1910 fps.
Just out of curiosity has anyone ever weighed a Volquartsen Magnum Bolt?
Clint, please keep your 10/22 porn to yourself. Some of us have young families ! !
CD, always great to hear your views on the subject. I totally agree, except for one thing. The .17HMR bolt really needs extra weight to prevent the "mushroom" effect on the cartridge base. At least that's been my experience. I know that porting the bbl or using Moly-fusion are a couple work-'rounds, but I've never looked at that as a "perfect" solution.
I'm very close to completing the 10/xx magnum bolts, complete with firing pin, single extractor and custom bolt handle. It's amazing, but the bolt handle has taken about as much work to "redesign" as any other part on this project. Whether there is or is not a "perfect solution" in this world of rimfires, I hope that the 10/xx is as close to that ideal goal in this otherwise mundane world of plinkers,
I'm going to be starting a new build for my middle daughter's 12th birthday. This one is going to have all the bells and whistles. Skeeter is providing the trigger group and other stuff. Gatewood is making the stock. Shilen barrels with custom quarter-ribs and express sights. Should be a tasty little beast.
-- ale
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