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Old 09-13-2021, 07:57 PM
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My impulse buys arrived, and I have begun the evaluation and cleaning process. No range reports at this time.

This post is for the Savage 1909:

S/Ns match: 1032xx A
Triple K magazine
Action works but not the safety (Jack First has replacements)
Firing pin makes a solid dent in the #4 wall anchor and ejects

Help needed:
1 - Disassembly / assembly manual
2 - On the hunt for an original 1909 replacement barrel ?? any source recommendations ??
3 - Seeking unobtainium - an original magazine ?? any source recommendations ??
4 - Additional sage advice

Been scanning eBay, GB, GI; the usual suspects

Oh... Ordered CCI Quiet and CCI SV

Will post the Savage 1905 soon...
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Old 09-14-2021, 01:48 AM
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Same action as a 1903 so any manual for one of those would do... but I don't know of any, Numrich has an exploded view that should help, they have the same one for the 1903 & 1909 but it has the 2nd type ejector and a later type firing pin & bolt, your gun will have the earlier parts.
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Original magazines are always showing up on eBay or GunBroker, some are listed there right now but are priced so high they have been getting relisted. If you keep watch for them one will eventually show up priced to sell, a couple years ago there were 7 listed on eBay at the same time, all went from about $70 to $100.

A barrel from a 1903 or a 1912 would screw right on and be easier to find if your not looking for originality.

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Old 09-14-2021, 09:33 AM
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Tnx for the pics 22lrJohn. Keep us up to date on your project. Congrats on a great addition to your fleet.
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Old 09-14-2021, 04:29 PM
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Thanks SAV22 for confirming this 1909 is the older version.

I could not find any direct info on the year of mfg based on the serial number but assume 1912 or 1913 based on s/n and mfg date comments from other forums. I also sent a PM with the Serial numbers to Steve99f based on a several year early post requesting those numbers, but have not heard anything yet.

It may take a couple of weeks before this 1909 sees any ammo. I will post any significant progress.

I will prepare a post on the Savage 1905 shortly.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:13 PM
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beautiful rifle congrats
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:46 PM
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Thanks SAV22 for confirming this 1909 is the older version.
The only variation I have ever found in a 1909 is the ejector and ones with the second type are very rare. I think it possible that some later one may also have a later design firing pin but early guns with replacement bolts might also have that and you can't really determine if a bolt is original to a gun. I have one with the later ejector and it did not have the later bolt & firing pin, it has a serial number just over 112,000A, another just over 110,750 has the old ejector.
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:44 AM
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It sure looks like a neat little rifle. I hope you get it straightened out soon John.
I've got my eyes open for parts sources for your 3 new project rifles.
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Old 09-15-2021, 07:27 AM
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Thanks, Larry.

I scan everygunpart.com, Homesteadparts, Numrich, eBay, GB, etc, often. Prices on the auction sites get so crazy sometimes that it seems more cost effective to find another gun!

SAV22 advised on parts interchangeability between the 1903 & 1909 so that widens the pool of parts.

Patience is progress.
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Old 09-18-2021, 05:27 PM
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Updated Savage 1909 project

The 1909 cleaned up well. Got the safety working.

Now the challenge.

I initially thought the rifling was weak. Somewhere in its life, this rifle appears to have been relined with a smooth bore liner.

Also, it looks like there may be an issue due to a lot of dry firing. A plastic snap cap easily drops in and generally ejects - sometimes across the room! But, an empty .22 cartridge is a really tight fit and will not extract.

The Triple K magazine does not feed well (using snap caps). I followed the advice from the forum to close the bolt before inserting the magazine. No luck. I am comfortable doing feed lip adjustments but feel that the rear of the barrel is not quite right. It looks as if there is a sort of 'ramp' or 'guide' cut below the chamber but it's pretty beat up.

Any advice??
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Old 09-20-2021, 08:07 AM
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That is an early serial. I would say 1910 production, 1st year.

Is the chamber tight from the get go or after it is in aways?
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Old 09-20-2021, 10:32 AM
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if that is indeed a liner..It looks to be a very thinned wall one that I have never seen before..

Did they make some of these in smoothbore originally? It is a decent enough Rifle looks like..But I am guessing it will never be right without a reline of the bore..I have seen Rifles in the past that were made into shoothbores intentionally..

You said the muzzle may show a liner..Post a pic of that if you can too.
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Old 09-20-2021, 02:19 PM
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That is an early serial. I would say 1910 production, 1st year.

Is the chamber tight from the get go or after it is in aways?
Can you post some photos of the chamber ends of yours for comparison?
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Old 09-20-2021, 03:18 PM
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A high condition 1909 barrel -

09/23/2021 picture deleted and included in another in a later post, I am getting close to my limit for pictures so I'm trying to free up some space.

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Old 09-20-2021, 05:13 PM
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Thank you all for the replies; especially the excellent 1909 barrel photo posted by SAV22.

After seeing SAV22's barrel chamber end, I am more puzzled by the indentation on the bottom of my barrel. The chamber, as mentioned, is tight when attempting to insert an expended .22 casing. Note: I have not yet fired this rifle, and probably won't, until I take appropriate action based on the advice I get here and a review by a gunsmith (the chamber end of my 1909 barrel has me concerned about headspace as well).

On the flip side... here is a photo of the muzzle end of the 1909. Note the liner ring (which I missed when I was originally looking at the three rifles on my way through Oregon). Once I get the barrel out, I will post more photos of the chamber end.

I will continue to look for an original replacement 1909 barrel or reline this one. As Carbineone says, the rifle is too nice otherwise.

I appreciate your continuing education and advice. I hope I can return the favors...
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Old 09-21-2021, 08:53 PM
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Wouldn't worry too much about the spent case being tight. It obviously was fired from another gun, and could only mean the chamber it was fired in is larger than the one your trying to put it in... doesnt mean for sure there's not a problem with your chamber, but since the snap caps fit, I'd say the premise is inconclusive. Good luck on your barrel search, it would be nice if you can restore the old gal to a functional state.
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