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Old 09-11-2021, 07:51 AM
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I have been playing with removing the dot sight, shooting open sights then reinstalling the dot. So far, the dot returns very close to zero requiring one click to get it back to zero.

Might try no coffee vs my daily 4 cups one time just to see what happens!

zukiphile

I am with you on open sights being the most fun to shoot especially when plinking at broken blue rock and misc stuff on the ground. Its easier to see where you miss or hit. Keeping a record though my red dot scores probably average 30 points higher and groups off a bag are usually cut in half.

Grandsons football game today at 11:30 but you guys make me want to head out with some targets this morning.
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Yes, I have a 60's with short (deaconblu no mar scope mount) and long barrels.
Is that the old Challenger model?
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:24 AM
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Shooting at 25 yards can be humbling for all of us. As Jazzsax8 said, even when you manage better scores keeping them consistent is tough. That's why I shoot irons, gives me a better excuse! Zukiphile is currently leading the 25 yard class, but his range doesn't allow shorter distances, so ALL his shooting (AFAIK) for score is at 25. But he still admits to having some less than impressive targets.

If you guys keep talking about the wobbly dots, it's going to talk me out of getting an optic for my Ruger. I'm thinking about taking the plunge... no rush but in the next year or so. That should give me time to get used to my new toy, which hopefully can remain my irons pistol.


I shot some 25 yard practice with my Ruger today and it was CRAP. Called it short rather than waste ammo. I did have way too much coffee in me to even mess with shooting a decent score, but that didn't ease the pain much. But that's also an example of how much 25 yards shows flaws. Anything you do wrong is much easier to see on the target when you pull it back
That's funny because I just started thinking about getting another MKIV and putting some good iron sights on it to see what I could do.

Don't worry about the wobbling dot. It's annoying but it's also a great help to be able to see a reliable sight picture. Sometimes the Universe is kind and the wibbles compensate for the wobbles and you find something in the X ring.

My eyes don't allow the crisp, clear view of the sights that I had when I was a young man of 60....... .........so the dot gives me a chance.

I just have to be patient, control the wobble as best I can and squeeze. Can't try to force it. Being totally focused, achieving intense concentration and being totally relaxed at the same time is a thing that can be achieved.......once in a while.

Sometimes I have to just set the gun down and relax, do a few stretches and come back to it. Muscle tension and anxiety can be overcome that way. Getting old is not fun, but you gotta keep fighting it.

Be sure to get a sight where you can successfully adjust the intensity of the dot to your personal taste. Otherwise it can look big and fuzzy and cover up too much. My eyes need a tiny little dot that is just barely visible.

I don't care if you young guys are beating me........after all, it's to be expected.

I do think, however, (somewhere back in this thread) that there's a guy named Gwelo or something like that......and he has fancy guns and amazing scores........AND HE'S OLDER THAN ME!!!

So I have to look to my goals and get better.

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Old 09-13-2021, 10:36 AM
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I mentioned above that I just started thinking about getting another MKIV and putting some good iron sights on it to see what I could do.

Well, I noticed that VQ has MKIV Target uppers on sale for $40 and they're throwing in a nice Ruger carry case.

Got one on the way to my gunsmith now. Guess the serial number is on the upper, so it has to go to an FFL.
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Old 09-17-2021, 06:36 PM
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With the month over half gone, I better get an entry in. I picked up a Victor from a friend on Friday last week, and shot it some Wednesday and Friday this week. Wednesday just got a feel for it, initial sighters, and one set still working on getting the sights right, shot a 203-1X.

With one distracted (in the lane next to a John Wick wannabe) for the first set, and kinda rushed for time on the second set, I shot two 211 scores @ 15 yards. One 1X and the other 3X. So I'll enter the higher, but the best target shown is from the 1X set. That's a 87.33% target. If I can do that across all 25 rounds, I'll have a new high score for me... gotta set a goal and all!

As I've mentioned before, I like shooting more rounds per target as distance increases. It shows a group better and helps me with adjustments.

**15 Yard Entry**
Name: Signmaster (Bob)
Score: 211-3X
Age: 58
Location: Va Beach indoor
Pistol: High Standard Victor
Sights: Stock irons
Ammo: Wolf Match Extra - new made by Eley
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Old 09-17-2021, 07:26 PM
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With the month over half gone, I better get an entry in. I picked up a Victor from a friend on Friday last week, and shot it some Wednesday and Friday this week. Wednesday just got a feel for it, initial sighters, and one set still working on getting the sights right, shot a 203-1X.

With one distracted (in the lane next to a John Wick wannabe) for the first set, and kinda rushed for time on the second set, I shot two 211 scores @ 15 yards. One 1X and the other 3X. So I'll enter the higher, but the best target shown is from the 1X set. That's a 87.33% target. If I can do that across all 25 rounds, I'll have a new high score for me... gotta set a goal and all!

As I've mentioned before, I like shooting more rounds per target as distance increases. It shows a group better and helps me with adjustments.

**15 Yard Entry**
Name: Signmaster (Bob)
Age: 58
Location: Va Beach indoor
Pistol: High Standard Victor
Sights: Stock irons
Ammo: Wolf Match Extra - new made by Eley
NICE pistola!!!

I don't understand your score or how many shots you fired or how you figured it (I don't even see an X) but that's very good shooting with irons no matter what the score number.

I understood we were shooting 25 shots......five each at five targets with a total possible score of 300. So I'm lost.

Being new to this, I don't expect to understand everything immediately........but maybe someone can explain this new scoring system?

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Old 09-17-2021, 09:43 PM
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NICE pistola!!!
Thanks. I kind of just stumbled into it really. I've only put 150 or so rounds through it, but I think I'm going to like it. By chance a guy I used to work with had it, and I found out he might sell it when we went for a beer. Thus, if you ask me, beer is good. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/sthumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Blue Thumb" class="inlineimg" />



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I don't understand your score or how many shots you fired or how you figured it (I don't even see an X) but that's very good shooting with irons no matter what the score number.

I understood we were shooting 25 shots......five each at five targets with a total possible score of 300. So I'm lost.

Being new to this, I don't expect to understand everything immediately........but maybe someone can explain this new scoring system?
Sorry for making it confusing for someone new to the matches..... the others might be used to it.

Due to target constraints at the range I shoot at, I often shoot my 25 shots on less than 5 targets. People often shoot out a good part of the center of the cardboard, as most there shoot handgun of larger calibers at 10 yards or less. Due to that, my space to hang targets is sort of either high or low, and more left and right. Less targets also lets me see my "group" better for sight adjustments.

So I'll shoot sets of 25 by shooting (for example at 15 yards today) one target with 15 rounds, and a second with 10 rounds. Then I have my "set" of 25, scored 5-10 per the rings, and score them. At closer distances, I usually shoot at least three, because all the shots are closer to center. At 25 yards, most people could probably just shoot one if they wanted, especially with open sights.

Today I shot two sets, both with scores of 211. One set had 1X, the other 3X's. But the best single target was the one I posted, with 15 shots and no X's... and the average of those shots was as I posted. I tend to average the score of each target individually, and then add them together and do the same. That helps show me if I improve, fade, stay consistent, etc. If you do the same with 5 shot targets, it's quicker to score and easier to average. At the range I shoot at it's just a time waste to have to pull the carriage back and swap targets, and on busy days we have a time limit of an hour if shooters are waiting.

Now you know why I envied your "range to yourself" post so much. Around here, it's rare to be able to shoot more than an hour at a time, and not guaranteed until it happens.


As for why I do an average and percentage... it's just an extra data point for comparisons. For some reason the percentages motivate me. Need an extra 5 points to set a new high score? That only takes two tenths of a percent better score average... it just sounds more obtainable. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif" border="0" alt="" title="EEK!" class="inlineimg" />

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Old 09-18-2021, 07:04 AM
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Thanks. I kind of just stumbled into it really. I've only put 150 or so rounds through it, but I think I'm going to like it. By chance a guy I used to work with had it, and I found out he might sell it when we went for a beer. Thus, if you ask me, beer is good. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/sthumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Blue Thumb" class="inlineimg" />





Sorry for making it confusing for someone new to the matches..... the others might be used to it.

Due to target constraints at the range I shoot at, I often shoot my 25 shots on less than 5 targets. People often shoot out a good part of the center of the cardboard, as most there shoot handgun of larger calibers at 10 yards or less. Due to that, my space to hang targets is sort of either high or low, and more left and right. Less targets also lets me see my "group" better for sight adjustments.

So I'll shoot sets of 25 by shooting (for example at 15 yards today) one target with 15 rounds, and a second with 10 rounds. Then I have my "set" of 25, scored 5-10 per the rings, and score them. At closer distances, I usually shoot at least three, because all the shots are closer to center. At 25 yards, most people could probably just shoot one if they wanted, especially with open sights.

Today I shot two sets, both with scores of 211. One set had 1X, the other 3X's. But the best single target was the one I posted, with 15 shots and no X's... and the average of those shots was as I posted. I tend to average the score of each target individually, and then add them together and do the same. That helps show me if I improve, fade, stay consistent, etc. If you do the same with 5 shot targets, it's quicker to score and easier to average. At the range I shoot at it's just a time waste to have to pull the carriage back and swap targets, and on busy days we have a time limit of an hour if shooters are waiting.

Now you know why I envied your "range to yourself" post so much. Around here, it's rare to be able to shoot more than an hour at a time, and not guaranteed until it happens.


As for why I do an average and percentage... it's just an extra data point for comparisons. For some reason the percentages motivate me. Need an extra 5 points to set a new high score? That only takes two tenths of a percent better score average... it just sounds more obtainable. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif" border="0" alt="" title="EEK!" class="inlineimg" />
Ya know, Bob, you could make it less confusing for some of us if you'd put your score in with the entry data instead of making us read a paragraph or two of prose looking for it....just sayin'
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Ya know, Bob, you could make it less confusing for some of us if you'd put your score in with the entry data instead of making us read a paragraph or two of prose looking for it....just sayin'
And I kept asking myself as I typed it.... why does it look like something is missing?
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Thanks. I kind of just stumbled into it really. I've only put 150 or so rounds through it, but I think I'm going to like it. By chance a guy I used to work with had it, and I found out he might sell it when we went for a beer. Thus, if you ask me, beer is good. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/sthumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Blue Thumb" class="inlineimg" />





Sorry for making it confusing for someone new to the matches..... the others might be used to it.

Due to target constraints at the range I shoot at, I often shoot my 25 shots on less than 5 targets. People often shoot out a good part of the center of the cardboard, as most there shoot handgun of larger calibers at 10 yards or less. Due to that, my space to hang targets is sort of either high or low, and more left and right. Less targets also lets me see my "group" better for sight adjustments.

So I'll shoot sets of 25 by shooting (for example at 15 yards today) one target with 15 rounds, and a second with 10 rounds. Then I have my "set" of 25, scored 5-10 per the rings, and score them. At closer distances, I usually shoot at least three, because all the shots are closer to center. At 25 yards, most people could probably just shoot one if they wanted, especially with open sights.

Today I shot two sets, both with scores of 211. One set had 1X, the other 3X's. But the best single target was the one I posted, with 15 shots and no X's... and the average of those shots was as I posted. I tend to average the score of each target individually, and then add them together and do the same. That helps show me if I improve, fade, stay consistent, etc. If you do the same with 5 shot targets, it's quicker to score and easier to average. At the range I shoot at it's just a time waste to have to pull the carriage back and swap targets, and on busy days we have a time limit of an hour if shooters are waiting.

Now you know why I envied your "range to yourself" post so much. Around here, it's rare to be able to shoot more than an hour at a time, and not guaranteed until it happens.


As for why I do an average and percentage... it's just an extra data point for comparisons. For some reason the percentages motivate me. Need an extra 5 points to set a new high score? That only takes two tenths of a percent better score average... it just sounds more obtainable. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif" border="0" alt="" title="EEK!" class="inlineimg" />
Thanks for the info.

Yes, you make me feel almost guilty for having a range almost always all to myself and quiet and relaxed.

My new upper (posted above) has arrived and I'm going to get a Williams Fire Sight installed........so I may join you in the irons yet this month.

It will be interesting to see if my eyes can use this (more visible, but less precise) sight to get a good score.

I do not have high hopes of equaling your scores or those of the better shooters here, though.

But it is really nice to have a little more motivation and fellowship in these efforts.

Thanks again.
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Thanks. I kind of just stumbled into it really. I've only put 150 or so rounds through it, but I think I'm going to like it. By chance a guy I used to work with had it, and I found out he might sell it when we went for a beer. Thus, if you ask me, beer is good. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/sthumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Blue Thumb" class="inlineimg" />
I shot a High Standard more than 50 years ago on an intramural team for NCS Yokosuka Japan.

Our pistols (and ammo) were provided by the Navy and maintained by the Marines and Gunner's Mates who ran the range. They were the ones with the normal round barrel with the knobby weight on the muzzle. Real nice guns but sort of odd looking.

We shot three targets in slow, timed and rapid fire sessions with a possible high of 300. I think we shot ten rounds at each target, but memory is failing. Now that I think about it.......it was all done on one target, so I suspect it was less than 30 rounds.

Memory. Details have gotten a bit vague. I remember we could go over and practice at certain times and the Marine supervising us was never friendly and acted like that box of .22 shells was gold. Maybe they were afraid we'd beat their team.

We were not great shots, but we had our days. There were about ten teams in the league and we thought we were pretty hot stuff because we beat all of them except the Marines and the SeaBees.



This is the one we shot.......minus that extra barrel weight under the barrel.......we never had that........well, maybe we did. Memory again.


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***10-Yd IRONS ENTRY***

DATE: 3/20/2021
SCORE: 182 2X
NAME: Ynned AGE: 68
LOCATION: Dad's back yard on the North Coast
GUN: Buckmark
GUN SETUP: ___Scope _X__Iron sights (Williams Firesights)
AMMO: Armscor precision
INDIV TGTS SCORES: 42 1X, 29, 34, 42, 35 1X
NOTES, WEATHER: Another beautiful early spring day on the North Coast 60*, sunny, light breeze

***15-Yd IRONS ENTRY***

DATE: 3/20/2021
SCORE: 175 1X
NAME: Ynned AGE: 68
LOCATION: NE Ohio
GUN:Buckmark
GUN SETUP: ___Scope _X__Iron sights
AMMO: Armscor precision
INDIV TGTS SCORES: 31 1X, 36, 40, 37, 31
NOTES, WEATHER: Sunny, High 50's
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***15-Yd IRONS ENTRY***

DATE: 9/3/2021
SCORE: 164 - 2X
NAME: Ynned AGE: 69
LOCATION: Same place as always
GUN: Buckmark STD
GUN SETUP: ___Scope _X__Iron sights
AMMO: Federal Field and Range
INDIV TGTS SCORES: 36, 21, 37-1X, 38-1X, 32
NOTES, WEATHER, Same as above
Dennis,

I was entering scores and noticed this, and the note about your new high score at 15 yards. But you beat the recent score back in March.

Just busting your chops, I didn't shoot a new high score either.

And you know what they say... your memory is the second thing to go.
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I shot a High Standard more than 50 years ago on an intramural team for NCS Yokosuka Japan.

Our pistols (and ammo) were provided by the Navy and maintained by the Marines and Gunner's Mates who ran the range. They were the ones with the normal round barrel with the knobby weight on the muzzle. Real nice guns but sort of odd looking.

We shot three targets in slow, timed and rapid fire sessions with a possible high of 300. I think we shot ten rounds at each target, but memory is failing. Now that I think about it.......it was all done on one target, so I suspect it was less than 30 rounds.

Memory. Details have gotten a bit vague. I remember we could go over and practice at certain times and the Marine supervising us was never friendly and acted like that box of .22 shells was gold. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" /> Maybe they were afraid we'd beat their team.

We were not great shots, but we had our days. There were about ten teams in the league and we thought we were pretty hot stuff because we beat all of them except the Marines and the SeaBees.

<img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />

This is the one we shot.......minus that extra barrel weight under the barrel.......we never had that........well, maybe we did. Memory again.

From the sound of things, you must have been shooting Bullseye targets for the 22 matches. Were you shooting one handed?

One handed or two, that experience is probably a big factor in why you scored so high with your 15 yard score. Even if we get away from it for a while, that training sticks with us. You beat Kingrider on score this month, and only lag him a couple points for overall high score @15 yards. And he's an offhand beast, both with rifle and pistol.

I've been considering starting to work on Bullseye one handed stuff myself. It looks like it's quite the challenge. I'm just hoping I can work on that without losing ability with two handed shooting... guess I'll find out.

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From the sound of things, you must have been shooting Bullseye targets for the 22 matches. Were you shooting one handed?

One handed or two, that experience is probably a big factor in why you scored so high with your 15 yard score. Even if we get away from it for a while, that training sticks with us. You beat Kindrider on score this month, and only lag him a couple points for overall high score @15 yards. And he's an offhand beast, both with rifle and pistol.

I've been considering starting to work on Bullseye one handed stuff myself. It looks like it's quite the challenge. I'm just hoping I can work on that without losing ability with two handed shooting... guess I'll find out.
Oh yes, we definitely shot one-handed.......that was a rule back then.

They also gave us cotton to put in our ears (we were valuable government property, I guess).

Long time ago. I wouldn't want to try one-hand shooting now.......I'm shaky enough as it is. I admire your willingness to try it.

I did improve one of the Rugers with new and larger grips. It feels a lot more stable in the hand now. Those thin black slabs didn't give a good hold.

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Dennis,

I was entering scores and noticed this, and the note about your new high score at 15 yards. But you beat the recent score back in March.

Just busting your chops, I didn't shoot a new high score either.

And you know what they say... your memory is the second thing to go.
Well, darn. After seeing this, I went out yesterday and tried again, but couldn't improve it. I did, however edge the 10 yd score up a hair.

***10-Yd IRON ENTRY***
DATE: 09/21/2021
SCORE: 207 - 1X
NAME: Ynned AGE: 69
LOCATION: Dad's back yard on the North Coast
GUN: Buckmark Std
GUN SETUP: ___Scope __X_Iron sights
AMMO: Federal Field & Range
INDIV TGTS SCORES: 42 1X, 38, 41, 46, 40
NOTES, WEATHER: Cloudy, Windy
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