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PART 3 - Armalite AR-7 Explorer
(This a lot of typing. I will post in three parts, Henry, Charter Arms and Armalite)

Armalite, Model AR-7 Explorer, Serial Number 103XXX

Receiver - 395 grams (13.93 oz)
Barrel - 342 grams (12.06 oz)
Stock with Butt Cap - 443 grams (15.63 oz)
Magazine - 33 grams (1.16oz)

BARREL
The barrel is steel inside an aluminum sleeve. There is no feed ramp. The extractor cut out is the same as the Charter Arms barrel but different than the Henry barrel. The extractor groove is narrow from the bore to approximately half way across the breech face and the doubles in width to the outer circumference of the barrel. The barrel nut has many ridges around the circumference to assist with grip while installing or removing the barrel. It is the same as the Charter Arms barrel nut. There is an aluminum tab that protrudes at the 12 o'clock position which fits into a cut out on the receiver. This aligns the barrel with the receiver. The portion of the barrel that fits in the receiver has is round. The barrel is 13/16" in diameter in front of the barrel stop and tapers to 1/2" at the muzzle. The barrel is marked Armalite 22 Long Rifle.

BARREL COMPATIBILITY
The Armalite barrel will fit into the Charter Arms and Henry receivers but is loose and the barrel will wiggle around. The Charter Arms barrel will fit into the Armalite receiver but won't seat properly as the indexing lug is too wide for the cut out in the receiver. The Henry barrel will not fit into the Armalite receiver as the Henry barrel is too large to fit into the receiver.

FRONT SIGHT
The base is black aluminum and is moulded into the barrel. The sight is black. The blade is 5/64" thick and 3/16" high. The dovetail is 5/16" not the more common 3/8".

REAR SIGHT
The rear sight is a black metal strip with a rectangular hole in centre. The sight attaches to the receiver with a screw through the rectangular hole and can be adjusted for elevation by loosening the screw and sliding the sight up or down. The sight has one aperture 3/32" in diameter. The hole that mounting screw goes through goes completely through the back of the receiver which permits bore sighting of optics.

RECEIVER
The Receiver is aluminum with a black finish. The finish is smooth a slightly shiny. The receiver has the Armalite logo on the right side and is marked AR-7 Explorer Costa Mesa Calif USA Patents Pending. The serial number is on the trigger guard. There is an arrow pointing to the rear with the word SAFE which indicates the direction to apply the safety. On the left side there are no markings. The receiver does not have a rail on top.

The receiver with all parts removed except for the safety weighs 145 grams (5.11 oz) and the side plate weighs 28 grams (0.99 oz). The side plate is held on the receiver with a screw.

RECEIVER COMPATIBILITY
The Armalite receiver will fit in the Charter Arms and Henry stocks but fits loosely and will wiggle around especially when on the Henry stock.

BOLT / ACTION SPRINGS / ACTION SPRING GUIDE / INTERNAL PARTS
The Bolt is steel and is bare metal. It is 3 7/16" long and 7/8" in diameter. The cocking handle is steel and bare metal. The cocking handle slides in for storage and slides out for operation. The bolt weighs 156 grams (5.50 oz). The bolt has an ejector groove so the bolt can be removed without disassembling the rifle.

BOLT INTERCHANGEABILITY
The Armalite and Charter Arms bolts appear to be interchangeable. The Armalite bolt will fit in the Charter Arms receiver and the Charter Arms bolt in the Armalite receiver and they will cycle manually but I did not test them with live ammunition.

The Henry bolt will not fit in the Armalite receiver.

The Action Springs are steel 4 5/16" long, 1/4" in diameter with 49 coils.

The Action Spring Guide is white plastic with two 1 1/2" long arms that the Action Springs slide on to. There is no cut out in the guide but it does have a hole in the centre.

The Trigger has the same profile as the Charter Arms and Henry triggers.

The Hammer has the same profile as the Charter Arms hammer but is different than the Henry hammer. The Armalite hammer has an additional hole in it. Not sure what its purpose is.

The Magazine Release is the same in all three rifles.

The Ejector has the same profile as the Charter Arms and Henry ejector and it is made of steel.

STOCK AND BUTT CAP
The Stock is plastic and is primarily brown and black with some green and red in a swirl pattern. The butt cap is black. The stock is smooth and shiny. The seam between the stock halves is barely visible and can't be felt when you rub your finger across it. The grip cap is a separate piece of the same swirl coloured plastic. The joint is very clean and smooth.

The butt cap is a softer more flexible plastic. The butt cap has Armalite Costa Mesa Calif and AR-7 Explorer Patents Pending marked on it. There are numerous ridges running horizontally across it. The toe of the butt cap has ridges to assist with removing it from the stock.

Inside the butt is a brown plastic insert with cut outs for storing the receiver, the barrel and one magazines. The receiver cannot be stowed with a magazine in it. The cut outs are form fitting and the receiver and barrel do not rattle around. The cut out for the magazine is much larger than the magazine so it rattles around. There is one hole at the bottom of the cut out for the barrel and white styrofoam is visible. I have not float tested my Armalite rifle.

The Armalite butt cap will not fit on the Henry or the Charter Arms stock. It may be possible to force it onto the Charter Arms stock.

The Henry butt cap fits loosely and will not stay on the Armalite stock. The Charter Arms butt cap fits on the Armalite stock.
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Old 11-13-2021, 03:13 PM
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DIFFERENCES IN AR-7 RIFLES

I just received a new Henry U.S. Survival Rifle. The inspection card received with it is dated September 2021. My other Henry rifle was purchased in March 2017.

Both are the current version which can be stowed with three magazines. The only difference in the rifles is the markings.

The 2017 rifle has the Model Number and Serial Number on the right side in white just above the magazine well. Bayonne New Jersey is marked on the left side near the top of the receiver and Henry Repeating Arms above the trigger guard.

The 2021 rifle has the Model Number, Serial Number and Rice Lake WI on the right side in white above the magazine well. Henry Repeating Arms is marked on the left side above the trigger guard.

The 2017 rifle serial number is US133XXXB, the 2021 rifle is US247XXXB. Although I have no documentation to prove it from what I have seen B indicates rifles with black finishes, C camouflage and S silver. The rifle is now offered with two different camouflage finishes but I don't know if this changes the letter used in the serial number.

The difference in serial numbers is approximately 144,000. I wonder if this difference actually represents the number of rifles produced and if this only represents rifles with a black finish or includes all finishes.
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Old 11-14-2021, 12:48 AM
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DIFFERENCES IN AR-7 RIFLES

ADDITIONAL INFO ADDED 14 NOVEMBER 2021

The following details are just observations from information I have found on various forums and photos from various forums and auction sites. Some sites refer to differences in rifles as generations and some as production runs. I think the term generation indicates some form of mechanical change whereas a production run would be mechanically the same but may have variations in finish, colour, etc. However, I will refer to everything as generation. Where I have put lowest and highest serial number this indicates the lowest and highest serial number I have found and not the lowest and highest serial number used by the manufacturer.

Armalite - Produced 1959 to 1973
Armalite AR-7 Explorer - Generation 1
Rifles came with a brown stock. Serial numbers were stamped on the right side of the receiver just above the trigger guard. When the stock is attached it covers the serial number. Serial number lowest 50125, highest 56809.

Armalite AR-7 Explorer - Generation 2
Rifles came with the brown, black, green and red swirled pattern stock made of Cycloc plastic. Serial numbers were stamped on the right side of the receiver on the trigger guard near the magazine. Serial number lowest 67745, highest 100829

1962 ad lists the price as $49.95. 1968 ad lists the price as $49.95 and available with custom walnut stock for $64.50.

Charter Arms Produced 1973 to 1990
Charter Arms AR-7 Explorer
Serial numbers lowest A44919, highest A299948.
One serial without the letter prefix, 286386 or 28638G
Two with a silver/grey finish. Serial numbers A267840 and A268574.
One photo showed a receiver with Charter Arms logo and the serial number on the trigger guard. Serial number A47692 was marked with Bridgeport Conn. Most rifles are marked Stratford Conn.
One site reported that rifles with Armalite markings on the receiver were sold in Charter Arms packaging when Charter Arms originally purchased the rights to the firearm.
Stock made of Cycloc plastic. Receiver finish is semi gloss black textured enamel. Blued steel internal parts. Bolt and charging handle are cadmium plated. Steel lined aluminum barrel.

One photo shows a rifle with Charter Arms logo on the receiver but package in a box marked Western Arms AR-7 Explorer Carbine. These are apparently rifles modified into prop guns that function with 5mm PFC caps. MG-Props website has several photos of one.


Survival Arms Inc Produced 1990 to 1997
Survival Arms Inc AR-7 Explorer
Manufactured in Cocoa Florida and Shelton, Conn
Manufactured three models. Model 9220AR7 black matte finish. Model 9220SAR7S silvertone finish. Model 9220CAR7C camouflage finish.
Barrel nut has a series of ridges around the circumference.
Serial numbers observed A308352 (Cocoa Florida marking), A306546, C323320 (Shelton Conn marking) and C327253.

March 1991 Dealer price $116.50, Retail price $150.00.


AR-7 Industries LLC Produced 1998 to 2004
Produced three models. The AR-7 Explorer a takedown rifle where the components could be stowed in the stock. The AR-7 Sporter which had a metal skeleton stock with pistol grip and an aluminum ventilated barrel shroud. The AR-7 Target which had a tubular stock with pistol grip and a bull barrel with cantilever Scope Mount.

The AR-7 Explorer Rifles had a knurled barrel nut and the receivers had a 3/8" groove for attaching scope rings.
Serial numbers C329730 and D series lowest D009002, highest D012958.

Henry Repeating Arms Produced 1997 to 2007 Brooklyn New York, 2007 to present Bayonne New Jersey, Present Rice Lake WI
Henry Repeating Arms U.S. Survival Rifle - Generation 1
Marked with Brooklyn New York. Marked Henry US Survival with the serial number on the right side of the receiver.
Black plastic stock with slightly rough texture. No grooves on the pistol grip. Stowage compartment is black plastic with storage space for one magazine. Receiver can be stowed with a magazine in it permitting a total of two magazines to be cartied. Barrel nut was knurled. Barrel has a wide extractor groove. Barrel has an indexing tab that fits into a cut out on the receiver. The portion of the barrel that fits into the receiver is round and does not have the recesses found on the Generation 2 barrels. Receiver has a 3/8" rail for attaching optics. These characteristics were observed on a rifle with serial number SU012411 (SU is not a typo, photos of rifle on bladeforum.com).
Serial numbers US60841 (black finish), US35605 (camo finish), US05636 (silver finish)

Henry Repeating Arms U.S. Survival Rifle - Generation 2
Stocks have the orange plastic inserts and can stow three magazines.
Marked with Bayonne New Jersey or Rice Lake WI
Teflon coated aluminum alloy receiver with 3/8" optical rail. Steel barrel covered in ABS plastic. Barrel nuts have eight shallow recesses around the circumference. Stock has grooves on the pistol grip for extra grip. The plastic insert in the stowage compartment is orange and can stow two magazines. The receiver can be stowed with a magazine in it permitted a total of three magazines to be carried. Receiver has a 3/8" rail for mounting optics.

Model H002B Black Finish. Serial numbers lowest US137715B, highest US189646B have Bayonne New Jersey marked on them. Serial numbers lowest US218598B, highest US247148B have Rice Lake WI marked on them.

Model H002C Camouflage Finish. Serial number lowest US004919C, highest US018429C.

Current MSRP $319.00 for black finish, $388.00 for camouflage finish.

Kenbo1, who works for Henry has reported that the magazine catch has been slightly changed which could affect magazine compatibility and does not recommend using other manufacturers parts in Henry rifles. See post 14.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...=501159&page=2

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Old 11-14-2021, 11:08 AM
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AWESOME!!! Thanks Cat! I am grateful beyond words.

Henry Arms doesn't even have a quarter of the information we have put on this thread. I know there isn't anything like it anywhere. I really hope that AR-7 owners will find this and get much use from it.
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Interesting Bolt

This is a receiver manufactured by AR-7 Industries LLC. The bolt has been modified and the diameter has been reduced in front of and behind the section of the bolt that the extractor retaining pin goes through the bolt.

Not sure why this bolt was modified but I have read about bolts being milled to lighten them up so the rifle could be used with .22 long or .22 short ammo.
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Henry H002 Firing Mechanism

It appears Henry Repeating Arms has modified the trigger and hammer in their latest production of U.S. Survival Rifle.

I finally got to the range with my new rifle. The trigger was noticeably lighter than my older rifle. My older rifle has 5556 rounds through it and the trigger has improved slightly but is still pretty brutal compared to the new rifle.

Today I tested the trigger pull of each rifle with a Wheeler trigger pull gauge. Each trigger was tested 10 times.

The 2017 rifle is marked Bayonne New Jersey, Model H002B. The heaviest trigger pull was 5 lb 10.5 oz and the lightest trigger pull was 4 lb 4.5 oz. The average was 5 lb 1.8 oz.

The 2021 rifle is marked Rice Lake WI, Model H002B. The heaviest trigger pull was 3 lb 8 oz and the lightest trigger pull was 3 lb 0.7 oz. The average was 3 lb 3.9 oz.

Inspection of the firing mechanism revealed that the hammer and trigger have been modified. The angle where trigger engages the hammer has been changed and now angles slightly rearward. The hammer has been modified and has been recessed slightly on both sides of the hammer face. Hopefully these modifications are clear enough in the photo.

The 2017 Rifle Hammer and Trigger are on the left. The 2021 Rifle on the right.
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It appears Henry Repeating Arms has modified the trigger and hammer in their latest production of U.S. Survival Rifle.

I finally got to the range with my new rifle. The trigger was noticeably lighter than my older rifle. My older rifle has 5556 rounds through it and the trigger has improved slightly but is still pretty brutal compared to the new rifle.

Today I tested the trigger pull of each rifle with a Wheeler trigger pull gauge. Each trigger was tested 10 times.

The 2017 rifle is marked Bayonne New Jersey, Model H002B. The heaviest trigger pull was 5 lb 10.5 oz and the lightest trigger pull was 4 lb 4.5 oz. The average was 5 lb 1.8 oz.

The 2021 rifle is marked Rice Lake WI, Model H002B. The heaviest trigger pull was 3 lb 8 oz and the lightest trigger pull was 3 lb 0.7 oz. The average was 3 lb 3.9 oz.

Inspection of the firing mechanism revealed that the hammer and trigger have been modified. The angle where trigger engages the hammer has been changed and now angles slightly rearward. The hammer has been modified and has been recessed slightly on both sides of the hammer face. Hopefully these modifications are clear enough in the photo.

The 2017 Rifle Hammer and Trigger are on the left. The 2021 Rifle on the right.

Interesting. After all these years somebody has finally done something about the trigger on these things.

Regarding the dramatic difference in trigger pull ... The change in the angle on the trigger probably accounts for the dramatic change in trigger pull, but did you happen to see any difference in the two rifle's hammer/trigger springs?

About the recessed areas on the hammer, did you see any difference in the bolt where the hammer strikes it and the firing pin? From what I can see in the photo, it looks as though the width of the striking surface of the hammer has been reduced by half.



edit: WOW ... speaking of recessed areas on the hammer. Unless my old eyes are deceiving me, I just saw something that isn't very apparent in your earlier photo (Post #13) of the Armalite, Charter and Henry Arms hammers.

Has the area of the new HA's hammer that engages the trigger (sear) also been recessed compared to the hammers of your Armalite and CA rifles?


The more I look at the photo you just posted ... the more it looks like HRA has reduced a LOT of contact areas on the hammer and trigger when compared to the Armalite and Charter arms parts.


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I wonder if Henry Arms is making a distinction between these two triggers.

I don't know how safe it would be to use the 2021 trigger with the 2017 hammer, given the different angle cut into the sear on the trigger.

My concern would be a discharge when dropping a cocked rifle.
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Interesting. After all these years somebody has finally done something about the trigger on these things.

Regarding the dramatic difference in trigger pull ... The change in the angle on the trigger probably accounts for the dramatic change in trigger pull, but did you happen to see any difference in the two rifle's hammer/trigger springs?

About the recessed areas on the hammer, did you see any difference in the bolt where the hammer strikes it and the firing pin? From what I can see in the photo, it looks as though the width of the striking surface of the hammer has been reduced by half.



edit: WOW ... speaking of recessed areas on the hammer. Unless my old eyes are deceiving me, I just saw something that isn't very apparent in your earlier photo (Post #13) of the Armalite, Charter and Henry Arms hammers.

Has the area of the new HA's hammer that engages the trigger (sear) also been recessed compared to the hammers of your Armalite and CA rifles?


The more I look at the photo you just posted ... the more it looks like HRA has reduced a LOT of contact areas on the hammer and trigger when compared to the Armalite and Charter arms parts.


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I wish I had the ability to edit the photos with arrows and such. The recesses that you have indicated with the yellow arrows are only on the Henry triggers and hammers. There are no recesses on the Armalite or Charter Arms triggers and hammers, at least not on the ones I have.

I could not find any difference in the bolts where the hammer strikes the firing pin. I also removed the firing pins and they appear identical to me. I also compared the hammer springs and they appear to be the same.

I did find a difference in the rear of the bolts. If you look at the rear of the bolt the channel the hammer moves through is slightly wider on the bottom half of the bolt than on the top half. There is a bit of extra material milled off on the bottom half of the left side of the bolt. This is the same on both bolts.

The older bolt has a small vertical section milled out at the very rear of the bolt. This section is about 3/8 of an inch. On the left side it is only on the top half of the channel on the right side it runs the full height of the channel. These ares have not been milled out on the new bolt.

NOTE: in the attached photos the bolts are upside down. Top photo is the old bolt. Bottom photo is the new bolt.

On the old bolt you can see the horizontal line where the milled out section runs from the rear of the bolt to the firing pin. The vertical line is also visible near the rear of the bolt. If you look carefully along the top left edge of the channel in the photo you can see it widens a bit near the rear of the bolt.

The new bolt only has the horizontal line running from the rear of the bolt to the firing pin.

If I could make arrows this would probably make a lot more sense.
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I wonder if Henry Arms is making a distinction between these two triggers.

I don't know how safe it would be to use the 2021 trigger with the 2017 hammer, given the different angle cut into the sear on the trigger.

My concern would be a discharge when dropping a cocked rifle.
There is no distinction with regard to model number both rifles are marked as model H002B.

I had contacted Henry in the past to see if there were able to give me a list of modifications or design changes between between their first generation of rifles and the current version. They were not able to provide and information.

I have contacted Henry about the new hammer and trigger to confirm that this is a design change and to see if it is possible to purchase a new hammer and trigger with an assurance I will receive parts with the new design.
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The recesses that you have indicated with the yellow arrows are only on the Henry triggers and hammers. There are no recesses on the Armalite or Charter Arms triggers and hammers, at least not on the ones I have.
No recesses on my CA or 2 mag Henry hammer and trigger either.

I wonder why HRA did all that work. It must have a purpose or they would never have spent the money. Something to think about.

I feel like I'm getting pushed into buying another one.
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Contacting Henry Repeating Arms - Firing Mech Upgrades

I contacted Henry Repeating Arms and asked when the change to the trigger and hammer were made and if all rifles manufactured at Rice Lake WI have these upgraded parts.

The response I received was that the U.S. Survival Rifle was upgraded in 2011.

Not really an answer to my questions. I have emailed Henry several times over several years with questions about different upgrades or modification to the U.S. Survival Rifle and they have never really answered any of my questions. Not knocking Henry for this, their reputation for customer service is excellent. Wish I could get some clear answers as this would help develop a clear history of the AR-7 / U.S. Survival rifle. It's hard to create a clear history when there is limited information available for the five companies that manufactured this platform.

The 2011 date does not make sense to me and wonder if this is the date they changes from the first generation of rifle which had storage for one magazine to the current version that stores two. My older rifles box has a safety inspection label on it date 2016. I purchased it in 2017.
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No recesses on my CA or 2 mag Henry hammer and trigger either.

I wonder why HRA did all that work. It must have a purpose or they would never have spent the money. Something to think about.
Reducing the contact area reduces friction faster (through increased compression and surface wear/smoothing), which can help reduce the historically heavy trigger pull.

It seems like a (somewhat) reasonable approach to reduce either the trigger or the hammer, but not both. I would think that as fit tolerances loosen up over time, the possibility of dual reduced surfaces missing each other would increase. Such a miss would lead to failures to cock at best, and multiple rounds firing off on a single trigger pull at worst. I would not have done both parts myself.

Additionally, my SA AR-7 had a terrible trigger pull with a heavy "slap" when I acquired it. Simply sanding/smoothing the sear notch (on the hammer) was enough to bring the pull down to slightly over 3 pounds. Adding an overtravel stop/pad under the sear portion of the trigger eliminated the "slap" as well. I find my trigger pull to be pretty nice and smooth. This, without reducing the contact surface area or changing the hammer/sear engagement angle.

On a side note- I would add info about my Survival Arms AR-7, but I don't want to contaminate the data with a hybrid firearm. It was sold on Gunbroker as a Charter Arms model, but only the stock is CA (as far as I can tell). The FFL did the transfer as Survival Arms, because that's what's on the receiver. So who knows what other parts have been swapped in from other manufacturers?

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