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Old 04-16-2021, 07:23 AM
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Good advice jaia!
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Old 04-16-2021, 07:31 AM
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Here's a link to the pdf of the target.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9b...hTa2t0Mm8/view

Download, open, print 8.5x11, actual size 100%.

Give it a try...see what y'er rifle and you are really capable of.
It's only 30 shots at whatever distance makes you happy.
Send the first 20 to warm up and fine tune y'er scope to the ammo and conditions.
Then find out if you are capable of "all day long", or not.
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Old 04-16-2021, 07:33 AM
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Groups are for adjusting y'er sights or scope, along with verifying cartridge quality.
To provide an example of the rifle and trigger operator ability, groups ain't the method to use.
I still prefer groups over dots. Yer counting the horses legs instead of counting the horses.
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Old 04-16-2021, 07:40 AM
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Lotsa folks prefer groups Al.

Easier on the ego.

Those one dot - one shot targets don't leave any wiggle room.
Either you hit where ya' were aiming, or ya' didn't.
Can't assuage the old ego when those strays are right there in front of ya'.


USBR Green Monster anyone?
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One dot...one shot...didja hit it? Or not?

To be clear, the following observation is not meant as anything negative.

One dot per shot. Hit it or not. That's a binary decision.

A rough count is 12 hits out of thirty shots. That's quite good. The remainder are misses. To be generous some involve the arbitrary(?) outer ring.

There's an average on the target. That's not binary.
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Old 04-16-2021, 08:04 AM
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There's an average alright PG.

That is the average of how much I missed by.
Ain't no "all day long" going on with that attempt.

Like I said...didja hit where you were aiming? Or not?
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This post is eleven years of saying its easier to type a group than it is to shoot one.

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Old 04-16-2021, 08:48 AM
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In my opinion groups are important. Did jaia ever miss. To some it is apparent that he has many times. Without getting too far into if it was the guns fault the ammo's fault or the shooters fault. We have to know what all three are capable of . The first order of business would be to know what the gun / ammo combo is capable of. If the gun/ammo combo is capable of shooting consistent groups that are no larger than what would be necessary to hit the center of that target than the shooter would be responsible for any miss. That setup looks like it is capable of very good accuracy . In my opinion based on nothing but the results of that one target and what the gun seems to be capable of and knowing a little about Hornady factory ammo, I seriously doubt if that combo is capable of consistent groups that would always at least be small enough to touch the outside of the center dot! I would say he missed a maximum of 5 times and maybe not that many. Most shots probably fall within all that the gun/ammo is capable of "grouping" . Grouping capabilities of guns are important.

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Old 04-16-2021, 08:51 AM
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How's this?



Anschutz 1710dkl, that's sporter with the rollover cheek piece and skinny fore end.
Nice shooting, Gerald but you missed the first 12.
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The one shot one dot sounds good except it throws one additional thing into the equation. The simple fact that you have to reposition to shoot the next target adds one more factor to consider. We do this in our benchrest competition (use the green meanie) and it makes it more difficult than shooting a group. With a group you can actually measure the group size which is what was the original post was asking. For a stock "plinking" rifle my thoughts are that anything under one inch is acceptable.
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Old 04-16-2021, 01:05 PM
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If you and your setup are capable of consistent fine grouping, you MAY do well on a Green monster.
if you and your setup are not capable of fine grouping, you will NOT do well on a Green Monster!
Groups will tell you the potential that you have against a Green Monster, Not how well you will do against one. But those fine groups will help to eliminate a couple possible variables when you don't do as well on a Green Monster as the groups indicated that you would.

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Old 04-17-2021, 07:59 AM
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If, as farm boy commented, one dot one shot targets require too much movement,
then individual 5 shot groups also involve too much movement.
Instead of 5 shot groups, send the entire box at a single aimpoint and use that as a reference.
Only one position for all 50 shots. No excuses due to shifting aim for each shot.
No need to measure 10 individual groups, cherry pick the best of the 10
then pretend the other results didn't happen. All 50 shots in a single group. Easy peasy, eh?

I haven't found 5 shot groups to be an accurate depiction of ammo, rifle or shooter abilities.
Instead they turn out to be random acts of accuracy, drifting about the point of aim.
If y'er looking to determine what you and y'er rifle are capable of, shoot the dots.

You can see each individual tree, none get lost in the forest.

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what would usually be considered a decent 50 yard 5 shot group size for an average everyday 22LR rifle shot by an average plinker or hunter. No biathlon shooters or $1000 rifles please. Should I be looking for 1/2 to 1" groups or what?
Yes to .5-1" groups for an average rifle would be good.
Jala's lost in the forest counting individual trees again, while dodging your question.
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Old 04-17-2021, 08:30 AM
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It's safer in the forest Al.
Just me and the trees enjoying the breeze.
If a squirrel shows up, the trigger I'll squeeze.
No worries, no critics, I can do as I please.

Even bad poetry, as all yous can sees.

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It's safer in the forest Al.
Just me and the trees enjoying the breeze.
If a squirrel shows up, the trigger I'll squeeze.
No worries, no critics, I can do as I please.

Even bad poetry, as all yous can sees.

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I certainly miss those signs. What a great time in our lives. Back to the OP question.
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