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What Is the Accuracy Standard for a Well-Tuned Bolt .17HMR



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What size 5-shot groups are we looking for with a well-tuned factory bolt-action .17HMR with a good scope? I guess I'm not asking about single best groups, but more about average group size over a number of groups with the same ammo. I'm more interested in what we can expect from a good factory-built gun, including the best of these from makers like Anschutz--albeit perhaps with some trigger improvement--than in what can be achieved with an all-out custom action/barrel rig. What are your 5-shot groups averaging with your .17HMRs at both 50 and 100 yards?
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My Weatherby-Anschutz does best with Hornady 20Gr.XTP. It used to shoot 2" groups at 100 yards but it has been shooting 0.9"-1" after I experimented with aluminum foil to tighten up the action and stock contact last winter. A proper bedding may do more but I'm very happy with the result after all the 2" groups since I got the rifle five years ago and do not want to mess with what is really a field gun any further.
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My savage btvs averages less than 1moa. Ammo was better when I first purchased this gun. Regularly shot .5 moa. Not now.
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With ammo sometimes being allllllllllll over the map, if you have a rimfire bolt gun that'll consistently shoot right around a 1in 5 shot group at 100 yds, with the occassional less than 1in groups @100, I'd say you have a pretty good one.

A 1in. group may not, initially, sound all that great but with the lack of target quality ammo, if you have a rimfire that'll always shoot MOA, I wouldn't complain.

You'll hear and read a lot about some of the different 17 rimfires shooting .5 and I know for a fact they will because I have one that has, but will it do it all the time with most of the available ammo, doubtful. If I was given a guarantee of choosing a rimfire rifle that would shoot MOA all the time with anything I feed it versus one that'll occasionally shoot a .3 but all the other groups will be subject to ammo consistency, I would gladly pick the one that was guaranteed to always shoot 1in groups.

I always say, if it'll consistently shoot no more than 1/2 inch in any direction from the bullseye at 100 yards, it'll kill anything I plan on pointing it at.
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My CZ 453 fluted barrel will shoot a lot of groups like this ......but the 2nd picture is my best group





.22 bullet for reference




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An inch or less at 100 yards. The ammo does seem to vary. I purchased my 77/17 the first year they were out. For the first few years I doubt it shot a single group over 3/4. Most were around 1/2 or less all these were in light or no wind conditions. Now grabbing a different lot number of ammo seems to make a difference. Still plenty accurate for my purposes.
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Old 06-24-2016, 05:18 AM
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I shoot a Marlin XT-17V. A more premium rifle should shoot better.

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My Cooper LVT averages around 3/4" at 110 yards with the standard 17gr v-max CCI loads.
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With nothing but the right ammo (Federal Permiun 17grn Vshock) my Savage 93 will do 1/2MOA all day at 100y from a sandbag.

Nothing else is even close.

CCI Game Shock is the WORST.
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Old 06-25-2016, 09:50 AM
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At 50 yards my Anschutz 1517MPR will consistently shoot groups I can cover with a dime. At 100, I can cover them with a quarter most of the time. Both are with Hornady 17gr V-Max. Since it shoots so good, i haven't tried other ammo. Actually, I did end up with one box of CCI 17gr fmj, which shot about the same. I also have a Ruger 77/17 with a sporter barrel, but it's not as accurate and gets worse when it heats up.
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Time for a reality check.
These are back to back 4 shot groups at 100yds. Five shot groups would be even larger. From the .17hmr 50 yd Club sticky on this forum.

1.pup-------------------------------.336"--------------------Remington 504-------17gr Win V-Max-----------5-29-08
2.Smoothtrigger------------------.390"--------------------Anschutz 1727F--------CCI TNT------------------ 3-22-15
3.Smoothtrigger -----------------.415" -----------------Anschutz 1717D Lilja --CCI TNT .17gr. -------2-23-16
4..22jim---------------------------.447"--------------------Sako Quad-------------17gr V-Max----------------2-14-10
5.hoagiejoe -------------------- .469" -----------------CZ 455 Varmint ------- 20gr XTP ----------------- 7-31-12
6.SMOOTHTRIGGER -------------- .494" ------------------ Anschutz 1717dhb ---- 20gr CCI ------------------- 10-18-11
7.cpaul-----------------------------.497"--------------------Remington 597--------Hornady--------------------3-18-09
8.SMOOTHTRIGGER -------------- .510" --------------Volquartsen Fusion ------- 20gr CCI -------------------- 10-17-11
9.gmd1950------------------------.5525"------------------Anschutz 1717d-------Hornady 17gr V-Max------10-20-09
10.Quikz28 ------------------------ .5565" -------------- Savage 93 BTV ------- Hornady 17gr V-Max -------- 1-1-12
11.FreshAir ------------------------- .568" ---------------- Savage 93R17 --------- Fed V Shock --------------10-1-12
12.s&w686--------------------------.580"-------------------Savage 93-----------CCI TnT 17gr----------------4-29-08
13Jason Magruder------------------.604"------------------Marlin 917-----------20gr Hornady XTP-------------9-18-08
14.Chromie ----------------------- .638" ------------------ CZ 453 Varmint -----17gr Fed v-max ---------- 3-2-13. Leopold 4-12x40
15.quigley284-----------------------.687"------------------77/17hmr-----------17gr Hornady V-Max---------4-17-08
16.PirateAnnie -------------------- .695" ----------------Anschutz1717dhb ---- 20gr CCI gamepoint -------- 11-07-11
17.Dahlia --------------------------- .7017" ---------------CZZ 453 Varminnt ---17gr V-Max -------------------9-22-12
18.FiremanFrank------------------.7175"-----------------Marlin 17VS-----------17gr Hornady V-Max-----------9-4-09
19.justpaper -----------------------.719" ----------------Savage 93R17 ---------17gr Hornady V-Max ---------11-14-14
20.Patience0830-------------------.772"--------------------77/17hmr------------20gr CCI GP-----------------4-19-08
21. Travis 204 --------------------- .780" ----------------- 93 R17 FVSS ---------20gr Hornady XTP ----------- 5-2-12
22. 25contender. ------------------ .785". -----------------CZ 453 Varmint ------ CCI 20gr Gamepoint -------- 2-14-13 24x scope
23.gearoidol ---------------------- .780" ----------------- CZ 455 --------------- 17gr Hornady V-max --------4-15-12
24.Finkers--------------------------.789"-------------------Sako Quad----------17gr Hornady-----------------01-31-11
25.lindros88------------------------.8155"------------------Savage 93---------20gr CCI GP--------------------4-17-10
26.Delaware Ken------------------.8155"------------------CZ Varmint--------20gr Hornady XTP-------------9-13-10
27.FireMan Frank------------------.826"--------------------Savage ------------20gr Hornady XTP-------------4-13-08
28.Hired Gun------------------------.829"---------------Weatherby XXII------17gr Hornady V-Max-----------10-18-09
29.Travis 204 ---------------------- .835" -------------- Sav 93 R17 FVSS --20gr Hornady XTP -----------4-11-12
30.CAMAC---------------------------.845"--------------------Sako Quad--------17gr CCI V-Max---------------12-19-09
31.Arkyvarminter--------------------.849"-------------------Marlin 17V----------20gr Hornady XTP------------1-14-09
32.sharrar --------------------------.86" ---------------Savage 93R17 GLV ----17gr Hornady V-Max ---------9-14-14
33.mchughcb-----------------------.866"-------------------Sako Quad---------20gr CCI-----------------------1-17-09
34.fullup3---------------------------.879"-------------------Savage 93---------17gr CCI V-Max----------------7-26-10
35.Heydogman--------------------.885" -------------------Marlin 17V ---------17gr Hornady V-Max---------9-17-11
36.mchughcb-----------------------.887"-------------------Sako Quad---------20gr CCI------------------------1-17-09
37.ryndisher------------------------.900"-------------------Savage 93---------17gr CCI TnT-------------------7-22-09
38.lbaldwi--------------------------.919"--------------------Marlin 917---------17gr Hornady V-Max-----------4-19-08
39.Hksnake -----------------------.9195" ------------Savage MarkII BSEV --17 gr. Hornady V-Max -------11/04/15
40.lbaldwi--------------------------.931"--------------------Anshutz-----------17gr Hornady V-max------------4-19-08
41.Edward78-----------------------.938"---------------Remington 504------- 17Hm2--17 V-Max--------------8-8-09
42.RSnatch--------------------------.945"-------------------Savage 93---------17gr Rem Accutip---------------6-08-08
43.DooDaddy-----------------------.955"-------------------Savage 93---------17gr Hornaday V-Max----------8-23-08
44.PizzaBob-------------------------.991"-------------------Cooper 57M-------17gr Horaday V-Max------------8-6-09 These are the best results from hundred of RFC shooters shooting several thousand targets as a group.

So as you can see, 1/2 inch groups are not the norm by a long shot. Only 39 RFC members have been able to keep their two back to back groups under 1 inch.
A more realistic average would be around 1 inch even for the best rifles with their favorite ammo. The very best may average around 3/4's.

Check out the sticky for the 5 shot 50yds averages.

Smooth

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Old 06-25-2016, 11:50 AM
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If your talking about CCI Game Point (never heard of Game Shock), all I can say is most of my record targets have been shot with it.

Different batches and different rifles makes it interesting.

I discoverd about 2 years ago that my .17's shoot CCI TNT even better.
That's now my go to ammo.

As you probably know all of the V-max's (including the one's in a Federal box) are all made by CCI*, and are exactly the same in every regard except tip color.

Certainly possible to get different results from different batches.
You may have just latched onto a good run boxed up in Federal boxes.

*I'm not even going to discuss the Winchester's except to say that they make their own.

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If your talking about CCI Game Point (never heard of Game Shock), all I can say is most of my record targets have been shot with it.

Different batches and different rifles makes it interesting.

I discoverd about 2 years ago that my .17's shoot CCI TNT even better.
That's now my go to ammo.

As you probably know all of the V-max's (including the one's in a Federal box) are all made by CCI*, and are exactly the same in every regard except tip color.

Certainly possible to get different results from different batches.
You may have just latched onto a good run boxed up in Federal boxes.

*I'm not even going to discuss the Winchester's except to say that they make there own.
Good posts, Smooth; they provide much-needed perspective. I had seen the .17hmr 50 yd Club sticky before and should have remembered to revisit it. A question about the V-Max loads: are the complete cartridges--bullet, case, primer, powder charge--done entirely by CCI, or do they receive the bullets from Hornady and then assemble the cartridges?

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Smooth- good chart. Thanks. My experience with Savage's and CZ's in .17 HMR is similar to what you've posted. . . most of mine averaged about 1.25" at 100 w 5 shot groups. That was about .25" or so better than most of my .22 mags. However, that being said, I presently have no .17 HMR in the pile. Your term "well-tuned" might leave my rifles out of group, though.
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Hornady for the V-max and Speer for the TNT. Never looked up who makes the FMJ or Game Point bullets.
CCI makes the case and does it own priming. No idea what powders they use.

And again it's my understanding that theres is no proprietary loadings for any of the labels (in this case V-max's). Different tip colors, different boxes and that's it.

Same goes for the Game Point and XTP. Identical except for the box

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