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Old 03-01-2021, 05:10 PM
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Which model and year is this Anschutz please



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Can anyone please identify this model please, and also an idea of its manufacturing date.

Number on barrel is 72 number on action is Z 97803

It's the collar from the action to the barrel, which has got me puzzled.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 03-01-2021, 05:44 PM
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Model possibly 1409, or 1407 in non-original stock.

Year is 1972.

Collar is just to fair over the step down from the receiver to the barrel.

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Old 03-01-2021, 07:28 PM
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It's not clear why Sandy suggests it's not an original stock. If it has a thumbhole stock it likely is, as Sandy offers, a 1409.

The angled ring where the barrel meets the receiver is referred to variously as a barrel ring or an intermediate ring. Anschutz uses these to avoid a dramatic step that would otherwise occur between the receiver and the 66cm long, 22mm diameter barrel. When used with the heavier 69cm barrel, 24mm diameter, the step is relatively small.

The ring.



If it's a 1409, here's one that's a few years younger.

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Old 03-02-2021, 12:23 AM
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The finish on the stock is rather light for a 1972 rifle, I'd expect a darker and redder colour. As PG points out, the photo doesn't show enough of the stock to say exactly what it is. However the flat edge along the receiver and barrel doesn't shout contemporary thumbhole stock to me. If I remember correctly, those were rounded over at the top through the '70s.
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Old 03-02-2021, 04:25 AM
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It's not clear why Sandy suggests it's not an original stock.
Essentially for the reasons set out by Tim. To me it doesn't look "right" for a 1972 Anschutz stock. Also, more specifically, a 1407 stock from that period wouldn't have had a step up in the top line opposite the barrel-receiver junction.

Incidentally, the "Z" which the OP reads as part of the serial number isn't that. It's an "N" which is part of the proof mark, struck on its side.
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Old 03-02-2021, 08:02 AM
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The finish on the stock is rather light for a 1972 rifle, I'd expect a darker and redder colour. As PG points out, the photo doesn't show enough of the stock to say exactly what it is. However the flat edge along the receiver and barrel doesn't shout contemporary thumbhole stock to me. If I remember correctly, those were rounded over at the top through the '70s.
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Essentially for the reasons set out by Tim. To me it doesn't look "right" for a 1972 Anschutz stock. Also, more specifically, a 1407 stock from that period wouldn't have had a step up in the top line opposite the barrel-receiver junction.

Incidentally, the "Z" which the OP reads as part of the serial number isn't that. It's an "N" which is part of the proof mark, struck on its side.
It's always perplexing why, when an identication of a model is sought, the information seeker posts a picture of only a small part of the rifle in question. The watermarks on the photo give a clue that the rifle is advertised online and the OP hasn't seen it and was more concerned with the barrel ring than the model identification.

On further reflection, and with the observations made by tim in mind, it can be said that, while the barreled action is clearly one with a 66cm barrel that's 22mm in diameter, the actual model is impossible to identify because the stock may well not be original.

The edges on the stock appear to be too sharp, not rounded as tim notes. As for the color, any refinished stock can appear different from what they looked like coming from the factory, but it's difficult to be conclusive.

Sandy is correct that 1407 stocks from that period would have had a top-most "edge" that was straight from the fore-end to the bolt release. The 1409 stock, however, had a step at the barrel-receiver area. That's why I initially thought the 1409 was a candidate, but on reflection it's clear that the step is not nearly pronounced as on the rifle/stock in question. That's why the stock doesn't appear to be factory Anschutz.

Below is a photo of that area from an approximately 1967 era 1409, the same rifle shown in my earlier post. The step is clear. The OP's photo is reproduced for ease of comparison. The edges are sharp and the step more noticeable.



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Old 03-02-2021, 08:48 AM
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If that's the original piece of timber the barrelled action came out of the factory in - which I strongly doubt - it's had some drastic surgery sometime in the intervening 49 years.
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Gents,

Very good points. I saw the step in the stock by the barrel, but it didn't register. I'm sure 1407 stocks acquired that step a bit later in the 1970s though,. We can also say that the stock pictured is walnut. Walnut eliminates many 18xx and 19xx stocks.
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Tim, which 18xx and 19xx models with wood stocks don't use walnut?
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Old 03-02-2021, 03:06 PM
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Tim, which 18xx and 19xx models with wood stocks don't use walnut?
Of the Prone/3P match 54 rifles, the 1813, 1913, 1912, and 1914 were/are walnut. As far as I've seen, the rest were all beech as standard, but stained dark to look like walnut. The first versions of the 1907 were a very blonde beech. There was a dark walnut 1907 but I think it was a special order, like the pink purple and blue/green laminate ones Anschutz made in the late '90s*. I don't know if current 1907 stocks are still beech, because I just don't see many; I think I've seen two new 1907s in the last 15 years.

*Anschutz also made 1912,1913, 2007, 2013 and 2013 colour laminates too.
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