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Old 10-31-2019, 10:10 PM
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was shooting a few cz 452's, then i got a new tikka tx tx1 very accurate, at our local club the tx equals the anshutz MPR, been thinking of the anshutz 1903, would there be a slight increase in accuracy over my tikka tx1 or the MPR, we shoot off the bench at 50yds.

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Old 11-01-2019, 07:26 AM
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was shooting a few cz 452's, then i got a new tikka tx tx1 very accurate, at our local club the tx equals the anshutz MPR, been thinking of the anshutz 1903, would there be a slight increase in accuracy over my tikka tx1 or the MPR, we shoot off the bench at 50yds.

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There is no reason to believe that the 1903 model has any accuracy advantages off the bench over the MPR. The barreled actions are very similar. They share a barrel made to the exact same quality standards and the same trigger, the 5098. The barrel lengths are very close if not the same. The 1903 is a single shot and probably has a somewhat tighter chamber than the MPR repeater.

The big difference between the two is in the stock. The 1903 has a sloping forestock designed for position shooting, while the MPR has a forestock bottom that is more parallel to the barrel and it is wider too. This gives the MPR a distinct advantage on the bench. The uninterrupted slope on the bottom of the MPR's butt stock is more straightforward to use on a rear bag than the shape of the 1903 butt stock.




No one can say that either one of these will assuredly be more accurate than the other. In each case the accuracy depends on the individual rifle and the barrel it has the fortune to have on it. In other words, while most rifles of a particular make and model will have average accuracy for that make and model, some individual rifles will be a little better or a little worse.

As for the MPR at your range being only as accurate as the Tikka T1X, that can only be ascertained by both rifles using ammo that shoots best in each one. It is not enough to compare the results with both rifles using "Brand X" ammo because that may not be fair. Both rifles may not shoot their best with the same brand of ammo. Similarly both rifles can best be reasonably compared with the same shooter doing the comparison. I'd be willing to wager that if there were ten MPR's compared to ten T1X's, the accuracy advantage would be clearly in favor of the German over the Finnish rifle.
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Old 11-01-2019, 10:12 AM
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Or you can have your cake and eat it to by purchasing the Anschutz Wedge for $57 U.S. plus shipping (about $75 total) from Nordic Marksmen.
http://www.nordicmarksman.com/Benchrest-Wedge.html#nogo

I have one and it works great.
You have to look carefully to see it, but it's there.

I do agree that the MPR and the 1903 have the same accuracy potential.
With the wedge in place the 1903 will ride a bag beautifully, and still give you an advantage for position shooting.
I much prefer the pistol grip of the 1903 for either shooting off the bench or position shooting.
I also love the adjustable cheek rests of the 1903.

My ranges monthly USBR matches has several 1903's and an MPR shooting every match for the last 2 years.
I've had the opportunity to shoot several of the 1903's, and the MPR, and can attest that they all have shot great when shooting a great lot of ammo.

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Old 11-01-2019, 10:42 AM
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There is no reason to believe that the 1903 model has any accuracy advantages off the bench over the MPR. The barreled actions are very similar. They share a barrel made to the exact same quality standards and the same trigger, the 5098. The barrel lengths are very close if not the same. The 1903 is a single shot and probably has a somewhat tighter chamber than the MPR repeater.

The big difference between the two is in the stock. The 1903 has a sloping forestock designed for position shooting, while the MPR has a forestock bottom that is more parallel to the barrel and it is wider too. This gives the MPR a distinct advantage on the bench. The uninterrupted slope on the bottom of the MPR's butt stock is more straightforward to use on a rear bag than the shape of the 1903 butt stock.




No one can say that either one of these will assuredly be more accurate than the other. In each case the accuracy depends on the individual rifle and the barrel it has the fortune to have on it. In other words, while most rifles of a particular make and model will have average accuracy for that make and model, some individual rifles will be a little better or a little worse.

As for the MPR at your range being only as accurate as the Tikka T1X, that can only be ascertained by both rifles using ammo that shoots best in each one. It is not enough to compare the results with both rifles using "Brand X" ammo because that may not be fair. Both rifles may not shoot their best with the same brand of ammo. Similarly both rifles can best be reasonably compared with the same shooter doing the comparison. I'd be willing to wager that if there were ten MPR's compared to ten T1X's, the accuracy advantage would be clearly in favor of the German over the Finnish rifle.
i hear you on maybe 10 models of each would favor the MPR, i this case these 2 guns with their best ammo is a tough one to call, so the way i read the 1903 would be as equal to the MPR, not sure i want to get up near 2 grand yet for the 54 actions target models, and if i do, not sure what model i would need to look at yet, any suggestions on models upgrading from an MPR

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i hear you on maybe 10 models of each would favor the MPR, i this case these 2 guns with their best ammo is a tough one to call, so the way i read the 1903 would be as equal to the MPR, not sure i want to get up near 2 grand yet for the 54 actions target models, and if i do, not sure what model i would need to look at yet, any suggestions on models upgrading from an MPR

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There is no correlation between models and accuracy. There are 64s that are more accurate than 54s. There are Tikkas more accurate than Anschutz, although probably not a large percentage.

Like everything else in life, most guns within a model are average, with more and less accurate examples at each end of the bell curve.

Buy the model with the stock that suits your purpose; no luck involved there...Tom

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i have a CZ 457 varmint as well as a CZ 452. I recently purchased an Anschutz 1903 MSR. after shooting my new Anschutz i didn't even wait to get home from the range before i call ANA and ordered a 1903 Match barreled action to go in an SBR stock i have. the 1903 MSR shoots so much better then my two CZ's, which are both very good rifles but not in the same league as the 1903 in my opinion.
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There is no correlation between models and accuracy. There are 64s that are more accurate than 54s. There are Tikkas more accurate than Anschutz, although probably not a large percentage.

Like everything else in life, most guns within a model are average, with more and less accurate examples at each end of the bell curve.

Buy the model with the stock that suits your purpose; no luck involved there...Tom
It may be misleading to suggest that there is no relationship between the model of Anschutz and accuracy. To be sure, there are some 64 action Anschutz rifles that outshoot some 54 action Anschutz rifles, but that doesn't make accuracy a wash between the two. If the accuracy of ten random sporters of each model were compared, most would bet on the 54 action models.

The best advice remains as above to choose the model with the stock that best suits the needs of the shooter.
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Old 11-02-2019, 05:54 PM
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There's a very nice freshly built 1813 "Supermatch" setup for BR in the want adds for a very reasonable price.

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Or you can have your cake and eat it to by purchasing the Anschutz Wedge for $57 U.S. plus shipping (about $75 total) from Nordic Marksmen.
http://www.nordicmarksman.com/Benchrest-Wedge.html#nogo

I have one and it works great.
You have to look carefully to see it, but it's there.

I do agree that the MPR and the 1903 have the same accuracy potential.
With the wedge in place the 1903 will ride a bag beautifully, and still give you an advantage for position shooting.
I much prefer the pistol grip of the 1903 for either shooting off the bench or position shooting.
I also love the adjustable cheek rests of the 1903.

My ranges monthly USBR matches has several 1903's and an MPR shooting every match for the last 2 years.
I've had the opportunity to shoot several of the 1903's, and the MPR, and can attest that they all have shot great when shooting a great lot of ammo.

Smooth
Great looking rifle and setup Smooth, but I wish you would stop posting pictures of it! My wallet goes into defib whenever I see your rifle!

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Why thank you very much.

Here's a photo shot in less falterying light, and set up for my monthly USBR match.


Hope this photo helps.

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Why thank you very much.

Here's a photo shot in less falterying light, and set up for my monthly USBR match.


Smooth, I really like the bipod. Where can I get one? Thank's in advance!

Hope this photo helps.<img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smilie" class="inlineimg" />

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Smooth, I like the bipod. Can you tell me where I could find one? Thanks!
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Old 11-05-2019, 08:16 AM
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FWIW, I recently sold my first MPR, which has a 1903 barrel from the factory. ANA confirmed that this happens from time to time.
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Old 11-05-2019, 09:11 AM
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FWIW, I recently sold my first MPR, which has a 1903 barrel from the factory. ANA confirmed that this happens from time to time.
Unless each model is identified by a stamp on its barrel, this raises the question of what is the difference between the two barrels? Details from Anschutz websites show that both are 24mm in diameter and differ only very slightly in barrel length, 646mm for the MPR and 647mm for the 1903 (a difference that is so small as to possibly be an error?).

The single shot 1903 may have more of a "match" chamber than the repeating MPR, but it's not clear that this is confirmed by the length of the barrel rifling. A match chamber itself ought to be shorter in length, leaving room for more rifling in the barrel. The MPR has 644mm of rifling, the 1903 has 631mm.

Of course, while the MPR is a repeater and the 1903 a single shot, I may be mistaken in some of my assumptions about differences between the two models. On the other hand, the Anschutz website may have errors.

The MPR details from Anschutz, followed by the 1903 details.

MPR



1903



See Anschutz website information on the MPR here https://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/inde...uktShow=detail and on the 1903 here https://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/inde...uktShow=detail
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Old 11-05-2019, 10:21 AM
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From what ANA told me, if the factory was short on a barrel to complete an order, in my case for a 64 MPR, they would just pull a similar barrel to complete the order.

My MPR was incredibly accurate and I've deliberated more than once that I should have kept it. Alas, I sold it though because of putting together a little cash for another business purchase, so it is what it is...
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