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Old 05-02-2011, 03:11 PM
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I found out today that I violated the game laws this past year.

The book they give you with your hunting license in this state says rimfires are OK on state lands. No Centerfire rifle. I had heard through the grapevine that .22 WMR was not OK. So I called DNR and asked. The guy I talked to said .22 WMR was OK so long as it was rimfire. So I went after coyotes a couple of times with my Marlin .22 WMR. Didn't get any, but doing so was technically illegal. Turns out the guy I talked to was wrong. ANY Rimfire is OK on State land unless the cartridge case is longer than .22 LR and the bullet larger than 20 grains. So a .22 WMR is illegal because the case is longer AND the bullet is heavier than 20 grains, but a .17 HMR is OK because while the case is longer, the bullet is 20 grains or less. What moron wrote that law??? But in any case, the law is the law.

So I guess I need to buy a 17 HMR for coyotes on state land.

Naturally, it will be a CZ!

My first thought was a 452 FS---yeah...I'm an "FS Junkie".

But since this will be a "single purpose" gun, I think I want to camo the stock and barrel and I couldn't do that to an FS!!!

So what model do y'all suggest and why???

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Old 05-02-2011, 03:19 PM
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I'm confused. - A .17HMR is legal but a .22 Mag isn't? That makes no sense at all unless they have a "minimum velocity" requirement.
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:23 PM
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I'm confused. - A .17HMR is legal but a .22 Mag isn't? That makes no sense at all unless they have a "minimum velocity" requirement.
That is correct. .22 WMR ILLEGAL........17 HMR legal.

Sorry for not explaining the law. I've edited my post to explain why.
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:32 PM
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Weird!! Sounds like they wrote the ruling to specifically exclude the .22WMR .
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:43 PM
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Weird!! Sounds like they wrote the ruling to specifically exclude the .22WMR .
Might have been, but I think it's just a case of politicians putting their noses into things they know nothing about. Stupid law was probably written by some lobbyist and handed to the Chief of Staff of some State Legislator. They would be far better off letting hunters and shooters write the laws and then making them justify the laws they have written in front of multiple committees.

Otherwise you get the same old ship....People writing laws about things they know nothing about....other than who is paying their lobbying invoice.
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Did you turn yourself in to the proper authorities? Just had to ask ?
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Old 05-02-2011, 04:25 PM
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I dont get it!!

As written that rule is contradictory....if the case cannot be longer than 22LR, how can the 17HMR be legal???? It uses the same length of case as the 22WMR, but necked down to .17!

"ANY Rimfire is OK on State land unless the cartridge case is longer than .22 LR and the bullet larger than 20 grains. "

I could understand the 17HM2 being legal.... The crux of that sentence seems to be the "and" if the HMR is OK. Why cant these people just be explicit as to what is OK and what is'nt, then people would'nt have to interpret.

Peter.

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Old 05-02-2011, 04:33 PM
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Fabpeter, he said it can't be longer than a .22LR AND heavier than 20 grains.
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Yes, you are right Steve, beat me to it, I've re-read it and amended my post.

Simpler to say, "All rimfire excluding 22WMR."

Peter.

PS...my vote would be a "Silhouette" as the base model!

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Old 05-02-2011, 05:10 PM
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Ok, stupid law, but CZ makes a great rifle to hunt with, a CZ 452 American in 17hmr. The Trainer also is chambered in 17hmr -- either one can be refinished without breaking your heart.

Oh, Peter has it, the Silhouette is also chambered in 17hmr -- refinishing a synthetic stock is not sacreligious at all.
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Old 05-02-2011, 05:15 PM
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Just looked at the CZ-USA website....Only shows the Silhouette in .22 LR. Is it actually available in .17 HMR?
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Old 05-02-2011, 05:21 PM
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Just for reference, here is the statute.....

26-66-2. State-owned, state-leased and permit-required hunting areas; weapons
(a) Any rifle or handgun using centerfire ammunition may not be used to hunt on state-owned land. Any rifle or handgun that uses rim fire ammunition having a cartridge case longer than that of a .22 long rifle cartridge case and the projectile of which is heavier than 20 grains, muzzleloading rifles larger than .36 caliber or using any projectile other than round ball, crossbows and shotgun ammunition of loads larger or heavier than number two shot shall not be possessed or used for the purposes of hunting as defined in section 26-1 of the Connecticut General Statutes on any state-owned land, including state forests. This provision shall not apply to rifles possessed by persons transporting legally killed and properly tagged deer taken on private lands to check stations located on state-owned properties, approved rifle range areas or deer hunting with shotgun or muzzleloader during the open season on such land. Waterfowlers hunting from a boat, blind or stationary position may only use the ammunition specified section 26-66-4(t) of the Regulations of Connecticut State Agencies.

I guess I need to go out and take classes on how to speak "gobbledygook"!
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Silhouette in 17HMR is listed at my LGS.

A bit far for you to travel mate, I know, but I would think that you should be able to find one in the US.

Peter.
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Respectfully recommend a full stock 17HMR... or perhaps a 17 HM2 American. Or both...

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