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Old 07-24-2012, 07:00 PM
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welcome to rfc and the suhl forum ed, there's alot of tuning methods.
hopefully you'll find one that works best for you. i was surprised when
i think it was escobow or maybe whistler sent me a letter in which is a
signed copy of the hopewell method, by randy (?) hopewell. i didn't know
there was actually a person named hopewell who wrote this up, i thought
it was just a name of a method you know like hope well. i was surprised
it was actually someones name and the copy i have was actually signed
by the guy. randy hopewell. maybe you guys won't find this interesting
but i did after hearing the name so many times.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:25 PM
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Hey Tom, I'd like to know what you'd have said to Lloyd if he told you he had a barrel that was ~1.2" at the action, tapering to ~.9" at the tuner, with the barrel length being very close to 24" Can't tell for sure; don't know exactly how much is under the tuner collar. It's a custom : falcon/broughton stainless 4c. I just bought a lightly used rifle with a tuner on it and am planning to use "Hopewell" or "Don", but would like to learn as much as there is. I don't have any "attachments". I hope they're not necessary.
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Old 07-25-2012, 12:02 AM
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trpstr, i would have said he should ask ernie, he knows more about what
works with what than anyone else i know on tuning. i guess you're talking
about a standard taper barrel. i see alot of shimmed tuners these days.
anymore it seems the way to go is as light as you can rather than heavy.
the first gun i put a tuner on i had a harrel regular tuner with the 7 and 5 oz
weights on it with 3 strips of tire iron stick on weights around it, it is a
heavy factory barrel 40x, i took all that stuff off, i think it shoots better with
just a tuner by itself on it.
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Old 07-25-2012, 08:41 AM
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Thanks Tom. After rereading Don's suggestion about a method, it makes soooo much sense to do it his way, and I'll stick to my plan to get the most outta the bare tuner before even thinking about weights or noodles. and I'll keep readin' but so many of these tuning threads deteriorate into arguments about ideas that are way beyond my ability to understand, at least at this point in my education. Actually, what i need most, is to work on technique and get consistent enough groups to work with. I greatly appreciate you guys who are patient with beginners!!!
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:16 AM
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heck everytime i think i have some of this stuff figured out i realize i don't.
i'm not far past being a beginner myself, as are alot of us on here. a few like
don and bob and tony have been at it for years, a few go out and shoot a whole
lot like ernie, and then there's the regular guys like myself who shoot when
time allows and don't set the world on fire but like the others hopefully don't
take ourselves too seriously and try to have a good time trying. try the different
tuning methods, you'll find one that works for you. good luck with that and
come back, we'll leave the forum light on for you.
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:03 AM
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You might search for the "HOPEWELL" method. Then you can save yourself a lot of time and ammo and try this:
Shoot 5 rounds off the target
Set tuner at 200
Shoot a three shot group
Come in a full rotation
shoot a three shot group
If better than first group go in another round
If not better: go out two rounds
Go out a round at a time until group starts to open up. Go back to best of the settings and try a group at half revolution in each direction. I look for a setting that is virtually unchanged with 5 clicks in either direction. If Marty would come back, you might get better instructions
Thanks Don, your method worked perfectly for me and didn't waste a lot of ammo and time to tune!!
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You might search for the "HOPEWELL" method. Then you can save yourself a lot of time and ammo and try this:
Shoot 5 rounds off the target
Set tuner at 200
Shoot a three shot group
Come in a full rotation
shoot a three shot group
If better than first group go in another round
If not better: go out two rounds
Go out a round at a time until group starts to open up. Go back to best of the settings and try a group at half revolution in each direction. I look for a setting that is virtually unchanged with 5 clicks in either direction. If Marty would come back, you might get better instructions
I know this is an old thread, but hope Mr. Stith is still on the forum. I just ordered a Harrell tuner today, and was wondering if the above method of tuning would work with two speed tuning, and is two speed tuning a better method than using one speed of ammo? Thanks for your replies.
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I know this is an old thread, but hope Mr. Stith is still on the forum. I just ordered a Harrell tuner today, and was wondering if the above method of tuning would work with two speed tuning, and is two speed tuning a better method than using one speed of ammo? Thanks for your replies.
Don, Tom C. and Earnest (Marty) all helped me when I first started using a tuner. since that time I have found shooting 3-shot groups and going out by 5-clicks works best, it does use more ammo but it helps find the best tune better IMO
it has less chance of skipping that setting that maybe is only 1 or 2 clicks away that will shoot lights out.

as for 2-speed tuning unless you can verify a low speed and a high speed 20-40 fps difference you will never know if indeed you tuned by 2-speeds.

I verify a tune by the ability of that setting to be able to shoot multiple lots into the same group, the tighter the group the better it shows that setting's tune.

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Lee, thanks for the reply. Do you start at "0" and go up 5 clicks after each group all the way to the end of adjusment? Or do you use Don's starting point and go up 5 clicks for each group?

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Lee, thanks for the reply. Do you start at "0" and go up 5 clicks after each group all the way to the end of adjusment? Or do you use Don's starting point and go up 5 clicks for each group?
I start at zero and go out by 5-clicks, I haven't had the need to go out to 500 before finding a setting which just simply shoots.
however I am currently using lite tuners 4.25-4.50 oz. total weight these are turned down Harrell all of the settings are below 100 on 2-rifles

with standard Harrell they were in the 236-385 range with as much as 10.750 of added weight. from my experience the difference between a lite and heavy tuner setup is that the lite turner has a wider range of lots that will shoot, where as the heavy is much narrower(speed dependent)

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Lee, thanks for the info. I expect the tuner to be delivered sometime next week and I`ll start the process. I have half a case of Eley Match @ 1054. Hope I still have some left when this is over.
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