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Old 08-01-2020, 01:18 AM
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Maybe you might be having accuracy problems not because of the substandard equipment. But due to the operator handling the equipment. I have some old .22s that are %%%% good shooters.
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Maybe you might be having accuracy problems not because of the substandard equipment. But due to the operator handling the equipment. I have some old .22s that are %%%% good shooters.
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All Fords are junk. At least the three I bought in the past 35 years before I gave up on em. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
That's what I think of GM vehicles! Never had one that I really liked. I did have a couple that I turned back in under the lemon law! No more Government Motors for me!
Right, Chevy always needs a bailout to keep running or they will go bankrupt. None for me thanks!
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Right, Chevy always needs a bailout to keep running or they will go bankrupt. None for me thanks!
Exactly!
I remember when it all happened, the banks were getting bailed out left and right. Then, even though there were no warnings, complaints, nor concerns of GM’s financial health, one day they spew to the media that unless they receive their bailout, they “will be bankrupt by the end of the week!”
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Old 08-02-2020, 12:35 AM
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As a youth I shot, coached, and scored targets for NRA light rifle qualifications for ththe BSA. I feel like I have a little insight on junk guns as a result. Out local camp exclusively used white box ohlins ammo with about an 8% dud rate, and our fleet of rifles was an assortment of 40-50yr old single shot rifles of varying makes. Not one of those rifles had <100k rounds through it, and most had far more than that. They all accumulated hundreds of rounds per day of use, and only got cleaned monthly or when they malfunctioned. All were repaired time and again by 13-15 year old boys with no training in gunsmithing... They could safely be called junk. I wouldnt have paid $10 for one.

Using that crap ammo. All but a few of those beater rifles would reliably shoot ~1 moa. Every once i a while our crusty old rangemaster would shut up a whiny scout by laying down on their mat and putting 3-5 rounds into the bull of their target. Those years taught me that the problem isnt usually with the equipment. That doesnt mean that inexpensive rimfires are somehow better than they are. Just that gritty triggers, cheap ammo, poor ergonomics, and the like are more prone to distract the shooter than detract from the rifles accuracy of the rifle.

Someones going to carp "that was then and this is now" or some such and lament the loss in manufacturing quality.... Ill just add that Ive shot sub moa groups from a handful of recently purchased "lemons" that acquaintances were disgusted with over the years. The complaints never change.... Maybe those rifles werent great, but they all did what they were supposed to.
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I take issue with overuse of minute of angle.

I absolutely agree with hal9000 and am very glad to see that posting. I have given rifles and shotguns to youth programs, the latest being a shortened stock 20 ga. Winchester Model 12 being used by the Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts.

I have issue with the over use of minute of angle. one moa is basically a half inch at 50 yards. For those who want to see part of the basis of my opinion, go to the 50 yard iron sight bench matches here on RFC. We will sit at a bench with the rifle rested and still, almost nobody using wind flags, way better than average ammo and almost nobody scores a perfect 20 shot target, making a 200-20x. To do that using best score on the ring being touched, you need to keep your shots centered in about three quarter of an inch circle. A moa at 50 yards is a half inch. And if you read the long excellent thread of 50 at 200 yards you will come to know that as the bullet gets further away, the "moa" if you will, increases. So your rifle which on an excellent day may shoot half inch groups at 50 yards will be shooting inch and a half to two inch groups at 100 yards.

Why bother with posting this I rhetorically ask myself, then leap in to answer. Because a lot of readers will be somewhat new to the sport and it is a shame to have unrealistic postings of head shot squirrels, offhand, at 50 yards more or less every time etc. We have an obligation to them, the readers not the squirrels, and to the truth, to publish what is true. I will leave the new reader with one more reference, look to the thread here on RFC about the offhand 25 and 50 yard matches with the A23/5 targets. A three quarter inch group in the center scores all 10-1x and when shot at 25 yards, with your choice of scope or iron sights, I have never seen a perfect score. Be realistic, stay within yourselves, practice often, strive to be the best you can be and be satisfied with any progress you make. At age 78 I will tell you, the declines that come with old age will happen before you ever reach perfection between starting these wonderful hobbies and when you finally have to give them up. Death has a way of forcing you to give them up.
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Old 08-02-2020, 05:54 AM
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"more ammo for me"---- coming from someone lucky enough to have got a "good" rifle, or a rifle that will shoot a specific kind of ammo that they can actually purchase, or someone that can take a piece of junk and rebuild it.

For every 10 that says "more ammo for me" how many more will have problems?

I'm happy for those that are lucky.

But still, BUYER BEWARE OF RIMFIRES

I have never shot a rimfire rifle that was not accurate enough for squirrel head shots. Sorry you have had fits, but its not the rimfire. It can be ammo, but not always.

How long have you been shooting? I am 59, and have shot rimfires since I was 5, and had some that did not live up to my picky accuracy standards, which would have been awesome shooters for most. Some have issues that are fixable, but I have not seen a single one that would be considered junk.

Remember, a centerfire, and a shotgun can be abused by the previous owner as well. I have probably seen more bad centerfires and shotguns than rimfires. You seem to have had one bad Marlin, so you blame all Rimfires now. I have the fixes for the Marlins after the rebounding hammer mess, and many here have used my instructions to fix theirs and have great shooting and working rifles.

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Old 08-02-2020, 07:49 AM
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Have you ever heard the saying Ďyou canít make a silk purse from a sows earĎ. You canít make a VW Bug into a Lamborghini no matter what octane gas you put in it. Any firearm that is created by a gun company has a market which means it has built in limitations- military, police, commercial, sporting, and these have sub markets such as US Marines, NYPD, duck or deer hunting, ipsc, cas, trap, plinking, high power, bullseye etc. You wouldnít carry a benchrest .22 squirrel hunting or a Glenfield to a biathalon. To say ALL .22s are junk is wrong. I remember reading or hearing the adage that Ď90% of everything is junk.í Donít know if I agree with the exception of music but youíve got to use the right gun for the right job and be fully aware of its limitations. Donít fault the gun or ammo if you choose poorly.
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Old 08-02-2020, 09:12 AM
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Well i had fun with my junk yesterday. Took my 28 inch gm 10022 and my Klinsky 455 to the range and shot at 1 inch stickies all day. The winner, Me!

Lots of folks at the range shooting up their ar 15s, with steel case ammo at Incredible rates. Shooting at 24 in targets. Lucky to hit paper.

I didnt feel so bad about shooting a brick of 22 ammo when i realized it only cost 20 % of what they were paying.

I sure love my junk!
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Old 08-02-2020, 10:08 AM
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WOW!! Thirteen pages and 194 posting, and we're still feeding the troll.

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