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Old 10-30-2018, 08:14 AM
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Old 10-30-2018, 08:51 AM
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What are you all seeing/getting for 50-55 yard accuracy out of your 17HMR guns? Preferably 5 shot groups. What ammo are you using?
Here is a nice comparison posted by dgeesaman elsewhere on RFC ...



Note that these are at 100 yards. Presumably, the 50 yard groups would be no larger, probably smaller.

I'm not as good of a shooter as dgeesaman, but in my limited experience, sub 1 MOA groups at 50 yards (approx. 1/2 inch) are easily achievable in 17 HMR.

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Old 10-30-2018, 09:12 AM
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Depending on the ammo quality from CCI and Winchester,
anything from 0.1 inch to 2 inches at 50 yards for 5 shots.
The quality varies so greatly that you never know what will happen next.

200 yards, 50 shots









Apply the half-third rule of rimfire spread

200 yards 6 inches of spread
100 yards 2 inches
50 yards 0.67 inches

10 inches at 200
3.3 inches at 100
1.1 inches at 50

4 inches at 200
1.3 inches at 100
0.43 inches at 50

Between mv spread, canted bullets, irregular brass, primer inconsistencies
results on target can change box to box and shot by shot.

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Old 10-30-2018, 09:38 AM
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kissofdeath - With up to a 400fps difference in velocity within a box of 50, along with differences in bullet seating depth and overall quality in the manufacturing process I would expect flyers with anything CCI produces. I don't shoot any Winchester rimfire anymore so have no experience with that. For my current 17 HMR rifles ( a CZ 453 Varmint & Styer Zephyr II ) seem to prefer the TNT 17 gr loads or 20 gr game points. The Federal packaging seems to avoid "any" split case necks in my rifles but all the other CCI made stuff might see upwards of 35% split cases out of a box of 50 rounds. Obviously, YMMV as every barrel may react differently and box to box will vary as well.

I see that jala has contributed and defer to his comments and experience as well since he has done much more extensive distance testing than I have done and has posted pictures to show the 2-3 MOA results. My results for 50 yards are similar to his.
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Old 10-30-2018, 12:11 PM
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You cannot go wrong listening to jaia, but I have had generally more consistent results with my 17hmr. Probably just lucky to have latched onto better than average lots of ammo so far. As posted in the past, the CCI TNT and the Federal have produced consistently better groups than any others in my cz455 despite what you read about them all being the same. I cannot explain this unless CCI is producing the different brands to the individual brands specs, which is what they told me. If jaia says that isn't true, then it probably isn't true!

I thought that my results were going to be routine so I didn't bother to take pictures and I am so sorry about that. At 50 yards, the TNT was almost always sub moa and at 100, way more often than not. I just assumed that with practice they would shrink as I am only fair as far as accuracy.
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I just received an order of 17 hmr from Graf's.
1 box of each of all the flavors available.
All will be sent downrange 200 yards, across a chronograph.
All the results will be available in the RFC Long Range forum 50 at 200 thread.

There are no guarantees of accuracy with either CCI or Winchester made rimfire.
If it goes bang and clears the barrel, it did it's job.
It's hunting ammo. Get close and then pull the trigger.

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Old 10-30-2018, 02:08 PM
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Quarter size 5-shot groups at 50 yards w/ 17 grain Red Ballistic Tip Hornady; half-dollar at 100.

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Wow, thanks guys this is great information. I will pull out my chronograph and see how consistent or inconsistent my ammo is. Accuracy wise mine did best with both Federal rounds. CCI, Winchester and Hornady were terrible. Like .75-1" at 55 yards terrible.
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Itís been several years since I shot targets with mine,but it would consistently shoot Hornady v-max 3 rounds just under moa @ 100 yards on a dead calm day
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Depending on the ammo quality from CCI and Winchester,
anything from 0.1 inch to 2 inches at 50 yards for 5 shots.
The quality varies so greatly that you never know what will happen next.
Yeah that.
While I never had ammo that shot as poorly as 2" @ 50yds I do not doubt it, at all.
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While I completely understand if some may think I'm exaggerating here, if I don't get groups under .5 center to center with my 452 Varmint, I'm surprised. It consistently shoots in the .3's and .4's at 50 yds, and lots of groups in the .2's with no wind.

I can pull out some old targets and post pics if needed, but my .17HMR 452 keeps up with my top shelf .22's after the trigger job and glass bedding was done.

Ammo? Some older Hornady 17 grain stuff. I bought 10 bricks of it several years ago for pennies on the dollar, and shoot a lot of paper just playin' around. The other brands I've tried shoot pretty much the same though.
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:14 AM
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My 452 17hmr doesn't see too much use, but it's always been under an inch at 100 yards. Hornady 17gr vmax seems to be to shoot the best.
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If you are lucky and end up with a brick of ammunition that was made right,
results on target will be as good as the original advertised claims.
If you end up with ammunition of the same quality as I've been sold,
your results will be just as bad or worse. That's CCI and Winchester rimfire.
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It does vary with the rifle and ammo. Plus shooter and wind. These groups only happen in dead calm conditions, at least with my shooting skills. I shoot 17hmr at 100y so I don’t have 50y, but the 50 groups are likely to be half or less.

I have another accurate 17hmr rifle (Sako Quad w Lilja barrel) that can shoot just a hair over 1/2” with the TNT stuff. I’ve attached a brief ammo test for that one. I’m not sure I’ll ever get much better than this.

My other two 17hmr rifles don’t group as tightly, I get 1” groups from my Anschutz 1517D and 1-1/4” groups from my Savage 93 heavy barrel. Still quite good, but with my 1517MPR and Quad outshooting them I intend to send them to someone who will make time to enjoy them.
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:01 PM
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Boy, I see more 17s on the range than ever before, so with the surge of interest in shooting 17hmr, you'd think some smart ammo manufacturer would put out some high end match type ammo. I know I would buy some in a heartbeat. Has anyone heard any rumors in that regard?

For now we need to just shoot lots of them so they get the idea. I'll have to increase my range time.
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