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Old 08-31-2019, 04:51 PM
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Old 08-31-2019, 10:45 PM
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Our local .22 benchrest matches have finished for the season, so I finally got out to try 50 at 200.

Winchester 52D, with 15X Lyman STS, and Caldwell Rock BR.



Two type of SK ammo, Rifle Match and Pistol Match.



Rifle Match group was started with no wind, but it picked up from3 o'clock (3-4mph) about half way through. Then died down for the last few shots.



Pistol Match was all fired in no wind condition.



Went to Federal Gold Medal Match 900B. Box says 1080 fps. Hasn't been made since early 2000s. Still no wind.





Finished (still no wind, veery unusual for here) with Federal Ultra Match UM1 (the good stuff that won Gold in Barcelona). No velocity on box, but sound, recoil, and POI all say it is quite a bit faster.





Much appreciation to jaia for getting ths thread started. It's very informative. I'll be trying some Center-X next year (as the guys who are beating me by a point or so are all using that.

Range photos are here: http://meaghercosportsmen.com/

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Old 09-01-2019, 09:12 AM
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The Fed UM1 was some very good stuff.
A shame Federal ended production.

200 yards 4.5 inches
100 yards 1.5 inches
50 yards 0.5 inches

That was righteous.

Rifle pic is a nice bit of classic smallbore benchrest pron.

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Old 09-01-2019, 12:05 PM
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Thanx for adding to this thread, nicely done
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Old 09-01-2019, 01:42 PM
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[QUOTE=Pat McCoy;11593377] I'll be trying some Center-X next year (as the guys who are beating me by a point or so are all using that.


Pat, were you using THAT UM1 ammo when "the guys" are beating you with CenterX? If so, I would like to see their targets shot with the CX! They must be pretty impressive.

Many years ago I had a stash of UM1 ammo that allowed me to win more than my fair share of long-range (200yd) prone matches using a Win52D/Redfield 3200-20X combo. I attributed my wins to that ammo much more so than my shooting ability. The lot I had at the time was that good. Alas, my stash has long since been used up, and I have lamented the fact that I didn't lay in a serious quantity of that UM1 when I had the chance. Who knew that Federal, with their infinite wisdom (the bean counters probably got involved), would discontinue this great American made ammo.

Thanks for posting your targets, that's some good shooting right there....However, I would definitely be using that precious UM1 ammo for match shooting instead of for the [email protected] contribution (sorry Jaia).
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Old 09-01-2019, 02:10 PM
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Now, now TS...you aren't seeing the big picture.

Think of it this way:

A box of 50 applied to a local competition benefits only that limited group competing.
A box of 50 sent at 200 yards, and posted here, is of use to any and all
attempting to improve their understanding of long range rimfire
and how ammunition quality, wind, skill and equipment affect results.
The 50 at 200 generates long term benefits for all of us.

Have to take the extended view, eh?

Not to mention all the rifle pron it provides.

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Old 09-01-2019, 05:09 PM
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Yep, using the same lot of UM1. Usually it was a 1 point difference (once by X count only). Scores are typically 398-400 on the NRA 100 yard target (A25).

All the rest of my stash will go towards competition. Just HAD to know how it would look on the 50 at 200.

And, yes it was the "bean counters" who topped the production of the UM1, then later the 711 and 711B. All this was a subject of much discussion at a couple of the USAS Coach Conferences.
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Old 09-01-2019, 05:48 PM
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Thanks for the UM1 Pat.
Not like I was going to be able to put my hands on some.
Next week I'm going to try a partial box of Tenex circa 1975 production.
Local competitor has been going through his old ammo
to have me chronograph a few samples of old match ammo.
Wants to see how it's held up in storage. Lucky me.
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Old 09-02-2019, 06:27 AM
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Now, now TS...you aren't seeing the big picture.

Think of it this way:

A box of 50 applied to a local competition benefits only that limited group competing.
A box of 50 sent at 200 yards, and posted here, is of use to any and all
attempting to improve their understanding of long range rimfire
and how ammunition quality, wind, skill and equipment affect results.
The 50 at 200 generates long term benefits for all of us.

Have to take the extended view, eh?

Not to mention all the rifle pron it provides.


That's what I like about you, Jaia--- You always bring the calm voice of reason to these hotly contested issues So for the common good, and to further the quest of knowledge within the [email protected] community, I hereby withdraw my selfish comment regarding the UM1 ammo.
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:17 AM
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What I like about you TS, is the snappy come-backs.
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Old 09-10-2019, 09:15 PM
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A few months ago, I tried some Winchester M22.
Made two attempts. Many problems. Sent an email to Winchester customer service
with attached pics of the problem cartridges. They sent me a shipping label
and had the remainder of the 1000 cartridges picked up and returned to the factory.
Winchester has mailed a refund check and apologized for the irritation caused.
Took a while, but it was taken care of. Good enough.
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:46 AM
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That is 'some trouble' to have to go through but how else do we get the mfg'ers attention that things aint right. I fear that many times ammo like that would have ended up on some gs table rather than back in the lap of who made it.
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Old 09-11-2019, 12:57 PM
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Crankster, no way would I have sold or given that 22lr away.
The lead from the bullet heel had been shaved off during seating,
then crimped to the exterior of the brass, which resulted in partial chambering
when I attempted to use it. In a semi-auto it would have resulted in out of battery discharges.
That batch was just unsafe production and should have never left the plant.
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Old 09-21-2019, 05:06 PM
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Third weekend in a row with gusty northeast winds and squalls.
Not what is wanted when attempting rimfire at 200 yards.

I've been embarrassing myself with pistols at 25 yards, instead.
Doesn't matter rimfire or centerfire,
I lack the necessary skill/talent for offhand shooting with iron sights.
I keep trying, but the results show little improvement over time.

Good thing red dots can be mounted on most pistols.

At least then I can produce a few decent targets.


While burning through some Fed Hi-V Game-Shok,
took the time to inspect the cartridges before loading the mags.
There are many visible defects on the cartridges, fresh from the box and protective tray.
I guess for pistol use at close range it doesn't make a big difference
but at 50 yards and beyond, I wouldn't expect anything worthwhile.



How many defects do you see?
Dents, dings, slanted drive bands, differences in seating depth and angle?
Not what I want when attempting rimfire for score.

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Old 09-22-2019, 01:31 PM
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Wind ESE at 8 to 17 mph with blue skies.
Much better than the squalls and gusts we were getting.
Some leftover Aguila Target 40 grain 22lr rated 1080 fps.

455 Varmint, Lilja, Sinclair



Quick inspection shows dings, irregular seating depth, variations in the drive bands.



103 fps ES should show about 10 inches of vertical.
The rest is me and the wind kicking my adze.

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